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Post by woollyliberal on Jan 17, 2022 19:08:40 GMT
46% of Tory members think Boris was telling the truth about the party being a work event.
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Post by jollyroger93 on Jan 17, 2022 19:14:11 GMT
46% of Tory members think Boris was telling the truth about the party being a work event. Jesus there's no hope.
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 17, 2022 19:36:08 GMT
it's certainly very Trump-like. people who refute facts when placed directly before them..but in those numbers, that is quite scary
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Post by woollyliberal on Jan 17, 2022 19:59:52 GMT
it's certainly very Trump-like. people who refute facts when placed directly before them..but in those numbers, that is quite scary Lots of Republicans think Trump won the election and think he is "a good man".
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2022 20:58:43 GMT
Poll of 704 Conservative Party members. 63% think Boris should continue as leader cf. 48% of Tory voters who think he should go. Sunak (44%) and Truss (33%) lead the replacement table. Javid comes in 3rd with 14%. Splendid news!
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2022 21:01:18 GMT
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Post by clyde1998 on Jan 17, 2022 21:59:56 GMT
Poll of 704 Conservative Party members. 63% think Boris should continue as leader cf. 48% of Tory voters who think he should go. Sunak (44%) and Truss (33%) lead the replacement table. Javid comes in 3rd with 14%. Who the hell are these 63%! Looking at the crosstabs, it appears Johnson has support across the board: Age
Under 45 - 54-31 45-64 - 67-21 Over 65 - 70-22 GenderMale - 63-26 Female - 64-22 Membership lengthBefore 2015 - 62-29 After 2015 - 64-22 Sadly, there aren't any regional breaks as I would have loved to have seen the support levels in among Scottish Conservatives.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 17, 2022 22:33:30 GMT
it's certainly very Trump-like. people who refute facts when placed directly before them..but in those numbers, that is quite scary Lots of Republicans think Trump won the election and think he is "a good man". Trump is / was a far better President than Johnson has been PM.
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2022 22:36:15 GMT
Who the hell are these 63%! Looking at the crosstabs, it appears Johnson has support across the board: Age
Under 45 - 54-31 45-64 - 67-21 Over 65 - 70-22 GenderMale - 63-26 Female - 64-22 Membership lengthBefore 2015 - 62-29 After 2015 - 64-22 Sadly, there aren't any regional breaks as I would have loved to have seen the support levels in among Scottish Conservatives. I bet there are some interesting discussions going on in the Sunak and Truss households. Who can they get to be the Kingslayer?
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 17, 2022 22:38:34 GMT
Lots of Republicans think Trump won the election and think he is "a good man". Trump is / was a far better President than Johnson has been PM. That certainly gives Johnson something to live up to if the next election does not go his way...
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 17, 2022 23:08:18 GMT
it's certainly very Trump-like. people who refute facts when placed directly before them..but in those numbers, that is quite scary What Facts would those be?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 18, 2022 1:49:01 GMT
it's certainly very Trump-like. people who refute facts when placed directly before them..but in those numbers, that is quite scary More like Corbyn I'd say. A lot of this will be defensive given the media onslaught.
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 18, 2022 8:16:11 GMT
it's certainly very Trump-like. people who refute facts when placed directly before them..but in those numbers, that is quite scary More like Corbyn I'd say. A lot of this will be defensive given the media onslaught. I am sure Corbynistas have been inclined to ignore inconvenient facts about Corbyn. However, I would say that Corbyn has principles that he tries to stick to, whether you like them or not. I am not sure that can be said about either Trump or Johnson, unless you count self-advancement as a principle.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jan 18, 2022 14:05:49 GMT
More like Corbyn I'd say. A lot of this will be defensive given the media onslaught. I am sure Corbynistas have been inclined to ignore inconvenient facts about Corbyn. However, I would say that Corbyn has principles that he tries to stick to, whether you like them or not. I am not sure that can be said about either Trump or Johnson, unless you count self-advancement as a principle. Sure, but that's not really my point. My point is that the media onslaught against the PM intensified over the last week with them quite clearly gunning for his resignation or removal, justifiably in my view, but that had the knock on effect of causing a siege mentality in a great many party member's minds. It seems to me that a similar phenomenon happened with Corbyn, as the attacks grew more and more, frankly, shrill, a siege mentality developed. That could be seen with some of the Labour people here.
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 18, 2022 16:00:05 GMT
I am sure Corbynistas have been inclined to ignore inconvenient facts about Corbyn. However, I would say that Corbyn has principles that he tries to stick to, whether you like them or not. I am not sure that can be said about either Trump or Johnson, unless you count self-advancement as a principle. Sure, but that's not really my point. My point is that the media onslaught against the PM intensified over the last week with them quite clearly gunning for his resignation or removal, justifiably in my view, but that had the knock on effect of causing a siege mentality in a great many party member's minds. It seems to me that a similar phenomenon happened with Corbyn, as the attacks grew more and more, frankly, shrill, a siege mentality developed. That could be seen with some of the Labour people here. Yes, I agree, but a siege mentality in the Tories is probably good for the opposition..
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 18, 2022 16:10:41 GMT
I am sure Corbynistas have been inclined to ignore inconvenient facts about Corbyn. However, I would say that Corbyn has principles that he tries to stick to, whether you like them or not. I am not sure that can be said about either Trump or Johnson, unless you count self-advancement as a principle. Sure, but that's not really my point. My point is that the media onslaught against the PM intensified over the last week with them quite clearly gunning for his resignation or removal, justifiably in my view, but that had the knock on effect of causing a siege mentality in a great many party member's minds. It seems to me that a similar phenomenon happened with Corbyn, as the attacks grew more and more, frankly, shrill, a siege mentality developed. That could be seen with some of the Labour people here. really? I mean I see that in myself but most of those in red room didn't really engage in any of the typical bunker mentality stuff, some weren't even in the red room
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Post by johng on Jan 27, 2022 17:51:37 GMT
Ramping score: 2.5/10.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 27, 2022 19:22:45 GMT
Calm, measured and factual - simply alerting us to the fact a poll is coming. This is the complete opposite to Awan-Scully, and I rather like this approach.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 27, 2022 19:26:33 GMT
Calm, measured and factual - simply alerting us to the fact a poll is coming. This is the complete opposite to Awan-Scully, and I rather like this approach. Crown Green bowls rather than ten pin bowling.
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Post by andrewp on Jan 29, 2022 20:03:08 GMT
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