willpower3
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Post by willpower3 on Aug 25, 2022 11:03:57 GMT
Labour consistently hitting 40% and summer isn't even over.
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 11:27:55 GMT
Labour consistently hitting 40% and summer isn't even over. anyone else getting 2012 vibes |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 11:30:30 GMT
I know Labour technically got 40+ in every poll in summer of 2017 but the lead was smaller so doesn't feel as good a comparison
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Post by aidypiez on Aug 25, 2022 13:35:39 GMT
Labour consistently hitting 40% and summer isn't even over. anyone else getting 2012 vibes No |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 14:52:23 GMT
anyone else getting 2012 vibes No do elaborate don't leave us hanging |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Aug 25, 2022 15:15:23 GMT
do elaborate don't leave us hanging In 2012 we had a reasonably competent government with a fairly clear sense of purpose. At least compared to what’s followed since. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 16:19:55 GMT
do elaborate don't leave us hanging In 2012 we had a reasonably competent government with a fairly clear sense of purpose. At least compared to what’s followed since. fair point. Not sure if that reflects well on this government or poorly on that government |
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Post by batman on Aug 25, 2022 16:48:12 GMT
Labour consistently hitting 40% and summer isn't even over. anyone else getting 2012 vibes not really. I never felt that the Tories' deficit in the polls at that time was unrecoverable. I don't think they get to recover sufficiently this time around |
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 25, 2022 16:48:26 GMT
In 2012 we had a reasonably competent government with a fairly clear sense of purpose. At least compared to what’s followed since. fair point. Not sure if that reflects well on this government or poorly on that government Eh? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 16:50:05 GMT
anyone else getting 2012 vibes not really. I never felt that the Tories' deficit in the polls at that time was unrecoverable. I don't think they get to recover sufficiently this time around they always do though  they are inevitable :/ |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 16:56:26 GMT
fair point. Not sure if that reflects well on this government or poorly on that government Eh? well obviously poll leads are not dissimilar to 2012 so I was making a funny about whether this governments performance being similar to that government means this government is as good as that government or if that government was bad as this government |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 25, 2022 17:06:55 GMT
not really. I never felt that the Tories' deficit in the polls at that time was unrecoverable. I don't think they get to recover sufficiently this time around they always do though they are inevitable :/ I share this pessimism. |
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Post by jamie on Aug 25, 2022 18:45:47 GMT
The economy had recovered by 2015, concerns about the deficit helped defend the governments austere approach, and Labour were almost always well behind on the economy/leadership ratings. Does anybody expect all 3 of these to be true in 2024?
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Post by timmullen1 on Aug 25, 2022 18:56:58 GMT
The economy had recovered by 2015, concerns about the deficit helped defend the governments austere approach, and Labour were almost always well behind on the economy/leadership ratings. Does anybody expect all 3 of these to be true in 2024? And, for however great or small its influence in 2015, I don’t think a large, possibly influential SNP bloc at Westminster is as scary as it was made out to be in 2015. |
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Aug 25, 2022 19:06:53 GMT
The economy had recovered by 2015, concerns about the deficit helped defend the governments austere approach, and Labour were almost always well behind on the economy/leadership ratings. Does anybody expect all 3 of these to be true in 2024? And, for however great or small its influence in 2015, I don’t think a large, possibly influential SNP bloc at Westminster is as scary as it was made out to be in 2015. Well I'm hoping for Labour and the Lib Dems to claw some seats back from the SNP |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 25, 2022 19:11:44 GMT
The economy had recovered by 2015, concerns about the deficit helped defend the governments austere approach, and Labour were almost always well behind on the economy/leadership ratings. Does anybody expect all 3 of these to be true in 2024? And, for however great or small its influence in 2015, I don’t think a large, possibly influential SNP bloc at Westminster is as scary as it was made out to be in 2015. They keep having to resign the whip for various misdemeanours. |
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Post by batman on Aug 25, 2022 19:57:22 GMT
not really. I never felt that the Tories' deficit in the polls at that time was unrecoverable. I don't think they get to recover sufficiently this time around they always do though they are inevitable :/ that is obviously false. The Tories don't win every general election, as you know well. It just seems that way sometimes. |
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Post by batman on Aug 25, 2022 19:58:53 GMT
And, for however great or small its influence in 2015, I don’t think a large, possibly influential SNP bloc at Westminster is as scary as it was made out to be in 2015. Well I'm hoping for Labour and the Lib Dems to claw some seats back from the SNP realistically there is only one seat the LDs can gain from the SNP. Labour on the other hand have quite a few realistic targets. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Aug 25, 2022 20:03:30 GMT
they always do though they are inevitable :/ that is obviously false. The Tories don't win every general election, as you know well. It just seems that way sometimes. I can't think of a time they haven't had a recovery |
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Post by Khunanup on Aug 25, 2022 20:18:15 GMT
Well I'm hoping for Labour and the Lib Dems to claw some seats back from the SNP realistically there is only one seat the LDs can gain from the SNP. Labour on the other hand have quite a few realistic targets. Well no (as per the Lib Dems). There are at least two that are realistic (one being if course the hyper-marginal that you are thinking of) but plenty others that, should the Tories collapse in Scotland in the way that we did in 2015 and/or the SNP finally be considered the prime mover for almost all the shit Scotland finds themselves in at the moment, are certainly within our remit. This isn't exactly likeliest scenario stuff, but in areas that Labour cannot hope to reach with that kind of situation, there's still plenty of places we can win. |
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they are inevitable :/
