nodealbrexiteer
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 30, 2024 16:42:36 GMT
Is there anything else causing anxiety? I ask seriously as i will be voting for your lot this time As the honorary brexiteer in the red room, I have formally liked your post and thank you for your support. Well done on shortly reaching 2000 posts
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ColinJ
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Post by ColinJ on May 30, 2024 16:50:07 GMT
As the honorary brexiteer in the red room, I have formally liked your post and thank you for your support. Well done on shortly reaching 2000 posts Thank you. They cover 12 eventful years.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 30, 2024 17:40:41 GMT
Good. If the sort of things I've heard about him over the years are true, that he's bone idle etc., good riddance. The rebuilding job doesn't need indolent careerists who pilfer the fruits of other people's efforts, nor frankly does should the party have anyone who is comfortable in a party led by a self described socialist.
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Post by Merseymike on May 30, 2024 17:49:44 GMT
Good. If the sort of things I've heard about him over the years are true, that he's bone idle etc., good riddance. The rebuilding job doesn't need indolent careerists who pilfer the fruits of other people's efforts, nor frankly does should the party have anyone who is comfortable in a party led by a self described socialist. But they could be centrist, rather socialist. Or Tory centrists , rather Right Conservatives.
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CatholicLeft
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Post by CatholicLeft on May 30, 2024 17:52:40 GMT
Good. If the sort of things I've heard about him over the years are true, that he's bone idle etc., good riddance. The rebuilding job doesn't need indolent careerists who pilfer the fruits of other people's efforts, nor frankly does should the party have anyone who is comfortable in a party led by a self described socialist. Oh, give over.
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 30, 2024 18:04:46 GMT
Good. If the sort of things I've heard about him over the years are true, that he's bone idle etc., good riddance. The rebuilding job doesn't need indolent careerists who pilfer the fruits of other people's efforts, nor frankly does should the party have anyone who is comfortable in a party led by a self described socialist. Always a reason, to say goodbye riddence. As predictable as a pendulum.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 30, 2024 18:17:25 GMT
Good. If the sort of things I've heard about him over the years are true, that he's bone idle etc., good riddance. The rebuilding job doesn't need indolent careerists who pilfer the fruits of other people's efforts, nor frankly does should the party have anyone who is comfortable in a party led by a self described socialist. Always a reason, to say goodbye riddence. As predictable as a pendulum. Not really. I have no ill-will to those who went to Reform, the SDP, the Liberal (1989) Party or who stay at home for genuine heartfelt reasons. However, when you are as disliked as he is in his association, and when you go to the party you are supposed to be diametrically opposed to in just one swift move, I am suspicious.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on May 30, 2024 18:30:26 GMT
Always a reason, to say goodbye riddence. As predictable as a pendulum. Not really. I have no ill-will to those who went to Reform, the SDP, the Liberal (1989) Party or who stay at home for genuine heartfelt reasons. However, when you are as disliked as he is in his association, and when you go to the party you are supposed to be diametrically opposed to in just one swift move, I am suspicious. Says the man who's 'betraying' his party by voting Reform. Is there any self-awareness in you at all?
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 19:10:18 GMT
Good. If the sort of things I've heard about him over the years are true, that he's bone idle etc., good riddance. The rebuilding job doesn't need indolent careerists who pilfer the fruits of other people's efforts, nor frankly does should the party have anyone who is comfortable in a party led by a self described socialist. maybe when the 20000th member has left you might finally express regret that someone has left your party. (I certainly have when people have left mine in the past - though in some cases e.g. Luciana Berger they have subsequently returned). Be mature for once.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 30, 2024 20:39:28 GMT
Not really. I have no ill-will to those who went to Reform, the SDP, the Liberal (1989) Party or who stay at home for genuine heartfelt reasons. However, when you are as disliked as he is in his association, and when you go to the party you are supposed to be diametrically opposed to in just one swift move, I am suspicious. Says the man who's 'betraying' his party by voting Reform. Is there any self-awareness in you at all? First of all, I did not use the word 'betrayal', that's an invention of yours in this particular discussion. In a febrile environment like the present moment, I neither think that kind of language is helpful, nor appropriate in relation to a defection. We're a political party, not a cult. Secondly, I don't consider voting Reform, if they put a candidate where I live, a big if, is a betrayal. Sometimes you need to make a harsh point to try and save something you care about. In this case, I think the party losing votes to an insurgent party is a well deserved rap on the knuckles to punish the sort of widespread rejection of the 2019 manifesto by the MPs. It was a middle finger not merely to party members, but to our voters. We promised them one thing, and then after COVID the MPs conspired to deliver the precise opposite on immigration, levelling up, the economy, capital spend, house building etc. It was not acceptable. Thirdly, given you're either dense or deliberately and belligerently disingenuous, I clearly need to explain that voting Reform, a party more aligned with the Conservative Party than most others, is much different to going straight to Labour. If someone is able to switch straight to Labour, with the sort of fake praise we see emanating from Logan tonight, it is not unreasonable to assume that he was never much of a fit for the Conservative Party in the first place and merely wanted some sort of political career. This would align with what I have heard in the past about his association being up in arms about him and complaining of both a poor work ethic and pitiful public and party engagement. I do not want that kind of person within the Conservative Party and it is people like him who have conspired to comprehensively reject our 2019 party manifesto. As such, I am not displeased to see the back of someone like that. They fucked our voters over after they put trust in us, and I am both ashamed and embarrassed by that. As we prepare to rebuild, I am glad he will not be part of it.
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 30, 2024 21:06:24 GMT
The idea of the "wrap on the knuckles" interests me. Is that a wrap of the bread/tortilla type containing a filling suitable for one's lunch? Or is it the large scarf-type accessory as commonly encountered at older universities such as Oxford and Cambridge? Or maybe something else entirely?
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nodealbrexiteer
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on May 30, 2024 21:18:01 GMT
The idea of the "wrap on the knuckles" interests me. Is that a wrap of the bread/tortilla type containing a filling suitable for one's lunch? Or is it the large scarf-type accessory as commonly encountered at older universities such as Oxford and Cambridge? Or maybe something else entirely?
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Post by batman on May 30, 2024 22:00:17 GMT
The idea of the "wrap on the knuckles" interests me. Is that a wrap of the bread/tortilla type containing a filling suitable for one's lunch? Or is it the large scarf-type accessory as commonly encountered at older universities such as Oxford and Cambridge? Or maybe something else entirely? I like knuckle of veal & it would be quite nice in a wrap
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Post by European Lefty on May 30, 2024 22:02:37 GMT
Not really. I have no ill-will to those who went to Reform, the SDP, the Liberal (1989) Party or who stay at home for genuine heartfelt reasons. However, when you are as disliked as he is in his association, and when you go to the party you are supposed to be diametrically opposed to in just one swift move, I am suspicious. Says the man who's 'betraying' his party by voting Reform. Is there any self-awareness in you at all? There is nothing in him. It is not a real person. It is the entirely confected personality of someone who wants "a Career in Politics" and is saying anything thet can to carve out a niche with the party/group they think can provide it, coupled with the belief that they are important enough for even their rants and ravings on a forum like this to be noteworthy. It could be just about anyone from Richard Rice to Caroline Lucas via Gina Miller behind the caricature, and how the hell would we know?
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on May 31, 2024 5:33:40 GMT
Always a reason, to say goodbye riddence. As predictable as a pendulum. Not really. I have no ill-will to those who went to Reform, the SDP, the Liberal (1989) Party or who stay at home for genuine heartfelt reasons. However, when you are as disliked as he is in his association, and when you go to the party you are supposed to be diametrically opposed to in just one swift move, I am suspicious.
This is a very interesting statement. Why are you supposed to be diametrically opposed to Labour? Because they are your main opponents? To me that shows potentially shallow thinking. You may have had a case when the leaders were Johnson and Corbyn when there was a gap between Labour and the Conservatives politically and in terms of policy, but now under Starmer and Sunak I just don't see it. Now the two parties overlap so shifting straight from one to the other really isn't a big move. You are entitled to your opinion and reaction, but I think it comes down to a tribal dislike and distrust of Labour, rather than anything based in current reality.
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Post by tonyhil on May 31, 2024 5:46:38 GMT
Blaming 'people like' Logan for conspiring to reject the Conservative's 2019 manifesto is rather a convenient way of denying the uselessness of Johnson, Truss and Sunak, and their Cabinets, over the past five years - all the fault of a few backbenchers that no one has ever heard of? I don't think so.
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Post by ilerda on May 31, 2024 8:39:38 GMT
From a purely non-partisan perspective, and being well acquainted with numerous reliable people, Logan is widely regarded as one of the worst quality and most useless people elected for us in 2019. He refused to do any campaigning in his seat since, has fallen out massively with his association, ran a dysfunctional parliamentary office, and was regularly observed turning up to work in a state best described as “tired and emotional” (with the accompanying smell to prove it).
I cast no judgment on his motives for changing allegiance, nor its relevance to wider debates. That’s simply the long-standing impression I’ve been given of the man.
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Post by greenrichard on May 31, 2024 9:48:32 GMT
From a purely non-partisan perspective, and being well acquainted with numerous reliable people, Logan is widely regarded as one of the worst quality and most useless people elected for us in 2019. He refused to do any campaigning in his seat since, has fallen out massively with his association, ran a dysfunctional parliamentary office, and was regularly observed turning up to work in a state best described as “tired and emotional” (with the accompanying smell to prove it). I cast no judgment on his motives for changing allegiance, nor its relevance to wider debates. That’s simply the long-standing impression I’ve been given of the man. It’s fair enough if you think he is terrible and we’ve heard similar things about other defectors. It would be useful if you could tell us who the remaining awful Conservatives are BEFORE they defect. Thanks in advance.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on May 31, 2024 9:56:39 GMT
It is fair comment that he was one of the more low profile of the 2019 Tory intake (though if "high profile" means the likes of Anderson or Gullis that is maybe not automatically a bad thing) Interesting that he mentions Israel/Palestine as a reason for the switch, which does somewhat go against the narrative of certain people.
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Post by rcronald on May 31, 2024 11:22:36 GMT
From a purely non-partisan perspective, and being well acquainted with numerous reliable people, Logan is widely regarded as one of the worst quality and most useless people elected for us in 2019. He refused to do any campaigning in his seat since, has fallen out massively with his association, ran a dysfunctional parliamentary office, and was regularly observed turning up to work in a state best described as “tired and emotional” (with the accompanying smell to prove it). I cast no judgment on his motives for changing allegiance, nor its relevance to wider debates. That’s simply the long-standing impression I’ve been given of the man. It’s fair enough if you think he is terrible and we’ve heard similar things about other defectors. It would be useful if you could tell us who the remaining awful Conservatives are BEFORE they defect. Thanks in advance. I don’t think that anyone here accused Wakeford, and Elphicke of being objectively bad MPs (Was Wakeford accused of being an opportunist? Yes. Was Elphicke accused of being married to a pos? Yes.).
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