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Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 18:05:35 GMT
Surprised he didn’t defect earlier. I thought that being a relatively moderate "Cameronite" he would be more likely to defect to the Liberal Democrats or stand as an Independent. He's retiring.
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Post by Ron Swanson on Apr 27, 2024 19:13:30 GMT
It's interesting to see Poulter described as not really a Conservative. When I was young, in a family of one-nation Conservatives, the party appeared to have a heavy representation of similar opinions in positions of influence. Nowadays those people are a tiny and sidelined minority. The big tent has been moving its pegs for some time. Whether that shift makes the party "more Conservative" is arguable since the term is vague. What it has meant is a party with a less internationalist feel and one less supportive of public service (perhaps Poulter's problem). However he's a youngish guy and I'd expect some motivation around placing himself well for a job outside parliament. The current Conservative Party has been taken over by various shades of nationalists and extremists. What we've seen here and with the previous defection (Christian? Christopher?) is the breaking point of mainstream "beers and cricket clubs" Tories. The ENP?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 27, 2024 19:15:12 GMT
I thought that being a relatively moderate "Cameronite" he would be more likely to defect to the Liberal Democrats or stand as an Independent. He's retiring. There are few things more cowardly in politics than defecting right at the end of a Parliament. You might as well tell the electorate: "You voted for me to vote one way for nearly half a decade, now I'm going to do the opposite, and I'm not letting you have the chance to remove me". Actually, that would be more honest. All this reminds that Brian Sedgmore was a prick.
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Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 19:18:30 GMT
There are few things more cowardly in politics than defecting right at the end of a Parliament. You might as well tell the electorate: "You voted for me to vote one way for nearly half a decade, now I'm going to do the opposite, and I'm not letting you have the chance to remove me". Actually, that would be more honest. All this reminds that Brian Sedgmore was a prick. Tbf, he was always soaking wet. If the associations are stupid enough to select social democrats like Dan Poulter, liberals like Nick Boles, and clowns like Louise Bagshawe, than they don’t deserve to have proper Tory MPs. Edit: I don’t have a problem selecting wets in economically left leaning constituencies, and liberals in socially liberal constituencies, but not in bloody Lincolnshire and Suffolk!
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Post by batman on Apr 27, 2024 19:28:52 GMT
I'm not surprised. It's well known he's basically a charlatan who isn't really a conservative, he just wanted to be on the winning side. Now that's Labour. Good riddance to socialist rubbish. actually LOLled at this comment. thanks for improving my evening still further
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Post by batman on Apr 27, 2024 19:30:48 GMT
Poor Sunak can't catch a break can he?
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 27, 2024 19:49:50 GMT
Though wasn't Poulter accused of sexual harassment?
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Apr 27, 2024 20:08:32 GMT
Poor Sunak can't catch a break can he? he doesn't deserve one
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Post by johnloony on Apr 27, 2024 20:12:08 GMT
Though wasn't Poulter accused of sexual harassment? I don’t remember any, and I can’t find any such suggestions from the “search” thingy
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Post by andrewp on Apr 27, 2024 20:20:41 GMT
no, I think John's right here. I don't recall any allegations against him either He’s prominently on the alleged leaked Tory whips bad behaviour spreadsheet.
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 27, 2024 20:24:51 GMT
no, I think John's right here. I don't recall any allegations against him either He’s prominently on the alleged leaked Tory whips bad behaviour spreadsheet. yes I vaguely remember this list something like 180 MPs in 2018 accused of sexual harassment
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Post by batman on Apr 27, 2024 20:26:38 GMT
I'm not surprised. It's well known he's basically a charlatan who isn't really a conservative, he just wanted to be on the winning side. Now that's Labour. Good riddance to socialist rubbish. actually LOLled at this comment. thanks for improving my evening still further Actually I think I was wrong to react this way, and I apologize to everyone. It's very easy to call a defector from your party a charlatan isn't it. But he is a hospital doctor and has consistently shown genuine concern at the state of the NHS, inconvenient as this has at times been for the party he has just left. I don't know whether his ideology is truly compatible with the Labour Party, but his concern for the NHS is genuine, and it is not very fair to call him a charlatan. He is doing what he thinks is right for the NHS and deserves rather better than he got from you. Along with other comments you have made in the past, this really does not reflect well on you. Being partisan is one thing, many of us are, and it isn't always wrong; using language like charlatan is not really applicable in his case. You can make out a case for Christian Wakeford being one, perhaps, but here I don't think you can, or should.
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 27, 2024 20:29:45 GMT
Found it. Second name on the list.
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Post by andrewp on Apr 27, 2024 20:30:32 GMT
Found it. First name on the list. Yes, and allegedly something a bit more significant than some others on that list.
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Post by mattbewilson on Apr 27, 2024 20:34:50 GMT
Found it. First name on the list. Yes, and allegedly something a bit more significant than some others on that list. I think that's why it stuck with me.
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Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 20:40:29 GMT
Found it. Second name on the list. Yes, this is what I remembered and didn't want to say, just to make sure that the forum doesn't suffer any legal reciprocations.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Apr 27, 2024 20:53:04 GMT
Found it. Second name on the list. Indeed, these allegations have been around for donkeys. Again, good riddance.
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Post by rcronald on Apr 27, 2024 20:56:53 GMT
Found it. Second name on the list. Indeed, these allegations have been around for donkeys. Again, good riddance. Maybe Mark Menzies paid the male prostitutes with party funds!
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Post by matureleft on Apr 27, 2024 21:14:16 GMT
I wonder whether there are any others in the waiting room? The Tory party isn't a very happy environment and there must be some gloom in the Parliamentary party. Many will be planning a future beyond parliament and strong Tory links may not help for some paths.
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 27, 2024 21:19:59 GMT
Found it. Second name on the list. Indeed, these allegations have been around for donkeys. Again, good riddance. There aren’t many on the list who haven’t already quit or been thrown out.
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