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Post by finsobruce on May 10, 2023 18:42:41 GMT
There's no monopoly on two-faced hypocrisy with the Lib Dems calling for a by-election because the MP has changed parties unlike when they accepted MPs in 2019 and before. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65543018It's not hypocrisy though, is it. It's the fact he's joining a fringe (crank) party rather than a mainstream one that has led for the calls for a by-election. I don't see that it makes any difference what party he joins or if he joined no party at all.
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Post by johnloony on May 10, 2023 19:12:35 GMT
It's not hypocrisy though, is it. It's the fact he's joining a fringe (crank) party rather than a mainstream one that has led for the calls for a by-election. I don't see that it makes any difference what party he joins or if he joined no party at all. It doesn’t. I have never called for the resignation and seek for re-election of any MP or councillor defecting from one party to another, and I don’t think i ever will. Each elected representative is elected as an individual.
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Post by yellowperil on May 10, 2023 19:38:32 GMT
I don't see that it makes any difference what party he joins or if he joined no party at all. It doesn’t. I have never called for the resignation and seek for re-election of any MP or councillor defecting from one party to another, and I don’t think i ever will. Each elected representative is elected as an individual. I agree absolutely. However the charge has been made so often against MPs joining the LibDems, I don't think Daisy could resist joining in the fun. I suspect the point was not intended too seriously. Myself, I'm delighted he has joined the party he has, just to ensure nobody ever takes that party seriously for one moment.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 10, 2023 20:26:20 GMT
Reclaim doesn't have members yet. I saw Bridgen being interviewed on GBN and he mentioned that they can't have members because no banks are willing to provide the facilities to do so.
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Post by finsobruce on May 10, 2023 20:35:45 GMT
Reclaim doesn't have members yet. I saw Bridgen being interviewed on GBN and he mentioned that they can't have members because no banks are willing to provide the facilities to do so. How does that work?
Presumably they have a bank account?
a payment system and a spreadsheet would do it.
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 10, 2023 20:41:25 GMT
It's not hypocrisy though, is it. It's the fact he's joining a fringe (crank) party rather than a mainstream one that has led for the calls for a by-election. I don't see that it makes any difference what party he joins or if he joined no party at all. And I am firmly in the voters should live with the consequences of their actions camp. However it's not hypocritical for others to draw distinctions between parties within the mainstream, and parties without it.
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Post by matureleft on May 10, 2023 20:43:55 GMT
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Post by timrollpickering on May 10, 2023 21:07:08 GMT
There's no monopoly on two-faced hypocrisy with the Lib Dems calling for a by-election because the MP has changed parties unlike when they accepted MPs in 2019 and before. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65543018It's not hypocrisy though, is it. It's the fact he's joining a fringe (crank) party rather than a mainstream one that has led for the calls for a by-election. A nice attempt at hair splitting but when Lib Dems in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones by calling other parties fringe or cranks.
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Post by carlton43 on May 10, 2023 21:12:57 GMT
Reclaim doesn't have members yet. I saw Bridgen being interviewed on GBN and he mentioned that they can't have members because no banks are willing to provide the facilities to do so. No. Separate out the basic facts. Banks have no say on any membership and no organization is dependent on having a bank account. With many smaller parties one can register an interest and go on the mailing/email list; register as a supporter with or without a donation; become a card-carrying member which usually attaches a minimum subscription, but it need not, as the paying of money does not validate a membership of itself. Reclaim was small and funded by the well off few, and it had minor outgoings without inner city HQ/depth of staff/elections to fund/much else to fund. Being shunned (cancelled?) by banks is awkward and no reasons are ever given. They are more and more given to doing this to private persons as well as institutions.
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Post by Strontium Dog on May 10, 2023 21:31:19 GMT
It's not hypocrisy though, is it. It's the fact he's joining a fringe (crank) party rather than a mainstream one that has led for the calls for a by-election. A nice attempt at hair splitting but when Lib Dems in glass houses really shouldn't throw stones by calling other parties fringe or cranks. A reminder that Bridgen was elected as a Conservative, despite him making the average QAnonner look sane.
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 11, 2023 12:00:46 GMT
Whilst his legal challenge has little if any chance of success, and his claims about COVID-19 vaccines are incorrect and not supported by any remotely reliable evidence, he does make some good points for what it is worth. Lockdowns overall did more harm than good, not only in Britain but elsewhere around the world, and they have needlessly destroyed businesses and ruined people's lives. Sweden and Finland never implemented lockdowns and they emerged just fine. You may have rather missed my point. You need to rook closely.
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 11, 2023 12:01:57 GMT
Reclaim doesn't have members yet. I saw Bridgen being interviewed on GBN and he mentioned that they can't have members because no banks are willing to provide the facilities to do so. Which - if correct - tells us something.
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Post by johnloony on May 11, 2023 17:19:11 GMT
Whilst his legal challenge has little if any chance of success, and his claims about COVID-19 vaccines are incorrect and not supported by any remotely reliable evidence, he does make some good points for what it is worth. Lockdowns overall did more harm than good, not only in Britain but elsewhere around the world, and they have needlessly destroyed businesses and ruined people's lives. Sweden and Finland never implemented lockdowns and they emerged just fine. You may have rather missed my point. You need to rook closely. You have to be eagle-eyed to see the reason for these puns
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Post by carlton43 on May 11, 2023 17:32:53 GMT
You may have rather missed my point. You need to rook closely. You have to be eagle-eyed to see the reason for these puns Clunk, clunk, clunkity clonk!
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Post by gwynthegriff on May 11, 2023 17:33:22 GMT
You may have rather missed my point. You need to rook closely. You have to be eagle-eyed to see the reason for these puns Cor! Vid - eo that post, because it too has missed the point.
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Post by stb12 on May 11, 2023 17:45:09 GMT
You have to be eagle-eyed to see the reason for these puns Cor! Vid - eo that post, because it too has missed the point. I’m jayded trying to work out these puns
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Post by johnloony on May 11, 2023 17:45:40 GMT
You have to be eagle-eyed to see the reason for these puns Cor! Vid - eo that post, because it too has missed the point. I did actually notice the “crowfunded” bit, if that’s what you mean
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Post by neilm on May 11, 2023 17:49:33 GMT
Reclaim was small and funded by the well off few, and it had minor outgoings without inner city HQ/depth of staff/elections to fund/much else to fund. Being shunned (cancelled?) by banks is awkward and no reasons are ever given. They are more and more given to doing this to private persons as well as institutions. This happened to me with Chase. I applied and was rejected. They wouldn't tell me why, citing security and legal reasons. I have no idea why as I'm in good standing with my regular bank where I have both current and savings accounts, have recently obtained a new (and lower) fixed rate on the mortgage and have both a SIPP and an ISA. I also don't mess around with my credit cards which I use as much as possible so they don't cut the limits for dubious reasons. So I'm at a bit of a loss. It is frustrating.
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Post by carlton43 on May 11, 2023 17:57:49 GMT
Reclaim was small and funded by the well off few, and it had minor outgoings without inner city HQ/depth of staff/elections to fund/much else to fund. Being shunned (cancelled?) by banks is awkward and no reasons are ever given. They are more and more given to doing this to private persons as well as institutions. This happened to me with Chase. I applied and was rejected. They wouldn't tell me why, citing security and legal reasons. I have no idea why as I'm in good standing with my regular bank where I have both current and savings accounts, have recently obtained a new (and lower) fixed rate on the mortgage and have both a SIPP and an ISA. I also don't mess around with my credit cards which I use as much as possible so they don't cut the limits for dubious reasons. So I'm at a bit of a loss. It is frustrating. I am so sorry. The state of British banking is utter shite and I would like to see most of them nationalised combined and run by a re-nationalised Post Office with lots of community outlets.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on May 12, 2023 14:47:53 GMT
Reclaim was small and funded by the well off few, and it had minor outgoings without inner city HQ/depth of staff/elections to fund/much else to fund. Being shunned (cancelled?) by banks is awkward and no reasons are ever given. They are more and more given to doing this to private persons as well as institutions. This happened to me with Chase. I applied and was rejected. They wouldn't tell me why, citing security and legal reasons. I have no idea why as I'm in good standing with my regular bank where I have both current and savings accounts, have recently obtained a new (and lower) fixed rate on the mortgage and have both a SIPP and an ISA. I also don't mess around with my credit cards which I use as much as possible so they don't cut the limits for dubious reasons. So I'm at a bit of a loss. It is frustrating. Sounds like you were turned down as they were unlikely to make much / any money out of you.
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