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Post by casualobserver on Sept 10, 2022 21:00:34 GMT
As it’s not a Conservative MP involved, I feel reasonably objective about this.
I am concerned that the naming and party membership suspension of an MP, or other senior party figure, in such circumstances is potentially unfair unless either (a) there’s a prima facie and serious case against the person being complained about or (b) investigation and determination of the matter is swift.
There are those not above using such allegation processes to pursue their own personal or political ends.
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Post by timrollpickering on Sept 27, 2022 14:53:31 GMT
Rupa Huq loses the Labour whip.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 27, 2022 14:57:16 GMT
Rupa Huq loses the Labour whip. Makes sense. What she said was pretty outrageous. Plus, it distracted from Starmer on a fairly important day for him and Labour. There wasn't really any other option.
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Post by greenhert on Sept 27, 2022 16:02:42 GMT
"Superficially black"? There is no such thing. What was Rupa Huq thinking?
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Post by johnloony on Sept 27, 2022 16:26:37 GMT
"Superficially black"? There is no such thing. What was Rupa Huq thinking? She was thinking that it’s OK to be racist about BME Conservatives because, according to woke lefty orthodoxy, all BME people are supposed to be lefties, all Conservatives are supposed to be racist, and that any BME person in the Conservative Party is therefore not “properly” whatever colour they actually are.
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Post by batman on Sept 27, 2022 17:15:59 GMT
I've heard she said that he "doesn't sound black". If that's the case, that's even worse than what has been reported; that implies that black people are all supposed to have particular accents or that they shouldn't be allowed to be middle-class or educated. It's extremely racist. It is absolutely right, as Ed Miliband said earlier, that she has been suspended from the Whip. She has apologized but it was a dreadful thing to say. In answer to Greenhert's question, I'm not sure I'd even dignify her remarks by using the word thinking at all. I would not favour a swift return of the Whip to her.
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Post by neilm on Sept 27, 2022 17:43:27 GMT
Is it that 'he doesn't sound black' means he should have an accent, or is that 'he doesn't sound black' means that the things he says should subscribe to a sort of groupthink and only way what follows an agenda? I wonder what she thinks of David Lammy's educational background given that both were scholarship boys (albeit Kwarteng's being means tested).
I didn't realise that Lammy chaired the APPG on fatherhood. He has gone up in my estimation.
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Post by andrewp on Sept 27, 2022 17:49:41 GMT
"Superficially black"? There is no such thing. What was Rupa Huq thinking? She was presumably thinking a view that you will find on Twitter, that anyone of an ethnic minority who is politically right of centre and/ or a Conservative is somehow not really a member of that ethnic minority.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 27, 2022 18:11:26 GMT
I've heard she said that he "doesn't sound black". If that's the case, that's even worse than what has been reported; that implies that black people are all supposed to have particular accents or that they shouldn't be allowed to be middle-class or educated. It's extremely racist. It is absolutely right, as Ed Miliband said earlier, that she has been suspended from the Whip. She has apologized but it was a dreadful thing to say. In answer to Greenhert's question, I'm not sure I'd even dignify her remarks by using the word thinking at all. I would not favour a swift return of the Whip to her. It was both I'm afraid. "Superficially he is a black man. "He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country. "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black."
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Post by stb12 on Sept 27, 2022 18:22:46 GMT
Said it before, elements of the left have a real problem with this sort of thing. Black Conservatives/Republicans get it in the US as well
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Sept 27, 2022 18:24:36 GMT
I've heard she said that he "doesn't sound black". If that's the case, that's even worse than what has been reported; that implies that black people are all supposed to have particular accents or that they shouldn't be allowed to be middle-class or educated. It's extremely racist. It is absolutely right, as Ed Miliband said earlier, that she has been suspended from the Whip. She has apologized but it was a dreadful thing to say. In answer to Greenhert's question, I'm not sure I'd even dignify her remarks by using the word thinking at all. I would not favour a swift return of the Whip to her. It was both I'm afraid. "Superficially he is a black man. "He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country. "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black." God, the hard left are rubbish at this. All they need to do is to go for Kwarteng as another bloody Etonian incompetent and leave his race out of it, as it should be. (I suspect that is kinda what she thought she was saying, but batman is absolutely right as to what she actually was saying.)
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 27, 2022 18:50:41 GMT
It was both I'm afraid. "Superficially he is a black man. "He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country. "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black." God, the hard left are rubbish at this. All they need to do is to go for Kwarteng as another bloody Etonian incompetent and leave his race out of it, as it should be. (I suspect that is kinda what she thought she was saying, but batman is absolutely right as to what she actually was saying.) Hard left? Whatever way you look at it that doesn't incorporate Rupa Huq. I think it was incredibly crass. I think that black Labour MPs have often been involved in black political issues and someone like Kwarteng hasn't so it's much more marginal to his political outlook and as Labour MPs are much more likely to hold urban seats they are much more likely to be involved on a day to day level and understand the race- class links. But to individualise it in the way she did - no.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 19:05:52 GMT
Kemi Badenoch was very good at batting away suggestions that she should act, talk, think or behave as her critics said she should based entirely on her appearance.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Sept 27, 2022 19:17:59 GMT
God, the hard left are rubbish at this. All they need to do is to go for Kwarteng as another bloody Etonian incompetent and leave his race out of it, as it should be. (I suspect that is kinda what she thought she was saying, but batman is absolutely right as to what she actually was saying.) Hard left? Whatever way you look at it that doesn't incorporate Rupa Huq. I think it was incredibly crass. I think that black Labour MPs have often been involved in black political issues and someone like Kwarteng hasn't so it's much more marginal to his political outlook and as Labour MPs are much more likely to hold urban seats they are much more likely to be involved on a day to day level and understand the race- class links. But to individualise it in the way she did - no. Fair enough, Mike.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 27, 2022 21:36:21 GMT
I've heard she said that he "doesn't sound black". If that's the case, that's even worse than what has been reported; that implies that black people are all supposed to have particular accents or that they shouldn't be allowed to be middle-class or educated. It's extremely racist. It is absolutely right, as Ed Miliband said earlier, that she has been suspended from the Whip. She has apologized but it was a dreadful thing to say. In answer to Greenhert's question, I'm not sure I'd even dignify her remarks by using the word thinking at all. I would not favour a swift return of the Whip to her. But, but, but!! When I averred after the election to an opinion that she was a racist thick plonker, I was taken to task by all of you and told I was the racist and she was an excellent MP and well educated and very clever??? This list will be very short for some of you and longer for others. May I suggest we go for people who are measured, decent, interesting and worthy of a bit of respect, even if they may have political views very different to and inimical to our own. I shall kick off with these who I know a bit about. Kevin Barron Margaret Becket Hilary Benn Ben Bradshaw Vernon Coaker Yvette Cooper Mary Creagh Gloria de Piero Maria Eagle Paul Farrelly Caroline Flint Barry Gardiner Harriet Harman Kate Hoey Lindsay Hoyle Rupa HuqDan Jarvis Liz Kendall Stephen Kinnock John Mann Edward Milliband Lisa Nandy Chi Onwurah Tulip Siddiq Keir Starmer Emily Thornberry Stephen Timms Tom Watson
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 27, 2022 21:43:04 GMT
Said it before, elements of the left have a real problem with this sort of thing. Black Conservatives/Republicans get it in the US as well I see it as a symptom of the obsession to obsessively frangementise the population into ever smaller subsets so they can then declare "But you're a minority! You *MUST* vote Labour, how can you be anything else, you ***TRAITOR****!!!!!"
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Post by kevinf on Sept 27, 2022 21:57:41 GMT
At the risk of annoying all the regulars on here, why is this in the defections thread?
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Post by timmullen1 on Sept 27, 2022 22:07:49 GMT
At the risk of annoying all the regulars on here, why is this in the defections thread? Because thread names are a form of censorship and people must be allowed to post pretty much whatever they want wherever they want. Oh and they’re probably too bone idle to start a “Suspensions” thread 😉
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Post by batman on Sept 27, 2022 22:39:17 GMT
It was both I'm afraid. "Superficially he is a black man. "He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country. "If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn't know he is black." God, the hard left are rubbish at this. All they need to do is to go for Kwarteng as another bloody Etonian incompetent and leave his race out of it, as it should be. (I suspect that is kinda what she thought she was saying, but batman is absolutely right as to what she actually was saying.) yes except Rupa is not on the hard left. She is somewhere between soft Left & Starmerite in terms of her alignment within the Labour Party
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Post by neilm on Sept 28, 2022 0:44:19 GMT
Is Starmerite a thing now?
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