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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 6, 2021 11:26:30 GMT
So the Mail on Sunday were sh*t-shirring all along. Who'd have thunk it? And the accountability - none whatsoever. They just move on, job done. Would be hilarious if there is a defection the other way though. As I said elsewhere, that would make slightly more sense. Only slightly mind.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 6, 2021 11:30:27 GMT
So the Mail on Sunday were sh*t-shirring all along. Who'd have thunk it? And the accountability - none whatsoever. They just move on, job done. Would be hilarious if there is a defection the other way though. Though the story did include some rider about "in the coming year", making it even more meaningless than it was already. The MoS does have some distant past form for this btw - after the (fairly disastrous) 1984 Labour conference it had a front page splash that a clutch of "moderate" Labour MPs were going to lead a "second wave" defection to the SDP - and unlike this effort it had names and pictures. Some of them later sued, and won damages from, the paper.
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Post by peterl on Oct 6, 2021 12:11:29 GMT
Although not the Mail, the first post of this thread back in the distant past does have a story about eight Tory MPs who were supposed to join UKIP, which also of course never happened. Newspaper reports of potential imminent defections really do need to be taken with a rather large pinch of salt.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Oct 6, 2021 12:42:10 GMT
Well the time is now upon us..... Maybe they are waiting to embrace a policy announcement. 1 so far. Though governments have to be careful when announcing new policies - it can be argued they should be announcing them in Parliament first.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 6, 2021 12:49:44 GMT
Maybe they are waiting to embrace a policy announcement. 1 so far. Though governments have to be careful when announcing new policies - it can be argued they should be announcing them in Parliament first. You can usually get away with it by saying “we will introduce/amend” legislation, which allows for Parliamentary debate.
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 7, 2021 14:42:38 GMT
It's Guido but just how many Labour members will actually cry if this came to pass?
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 7, 2021 14:47:43 GMT
It's Guido but just how many Labour members will actually cry if this came to pass? The question is on what grounds would he be getting the whip withdrawn? Blairites said vastly worse during the Corbyn years and the resulting minor reprimands from the whips office was decried as Stalinist harassment Don't we all love hypocrisy
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 7, 2021 17:11:09 GMT
What's he said that's going to get the whip withdrawn (I refuse to click on a Guido link)
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 7, 2021 17:23:11 GMT
What's he said that's going to get the whip withdrawn (I refuse to click on a Guido link) Said some members had been unfairly suspended/expelled due to false or unfair allegations Said Starmer wasn't a very good LOTO Nodded and smiled when a crowd at a TWT rally started chanting Keith Hardly compares to Neil Coyle sending Corbyn drunken late night texts calling him scum Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a "f**King racist" to his face Jess Philips laughing at Dianne Abbott being racially abused Or the litany of Labour MP's that literally told people to vote for other parties at the last election
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Post by stb12 on Oct 7, 2021 18:39:58 GMT
What's he said that's going to get the whip withdrawn (I refuse to click on a Guido link) Said some members had been unfairly suspended/expelled due to false or unfair allegations Said Starmer wasn't a very good LOTO Nodded and smiled when a crowd at a TWT rally started chanting Keith Hardly compares to Neil Coyle sending Corbyn drunken late night texts Allington him scum Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a "f**King racist" to his face Jess Philips laughing at Dianne Abbott being racially abused Or the litany of Labour MP's that literally told people to vote for other parties at the last election The first one could be seen as downplaying the antisemitism issue again?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 7, 2021 18:43:14 GMT
Might be worthwhile him joining the Green party - his loony views would fit in pretty well there and he'd havea decent chance of holding on in Kemptown as a Green
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 7, 2021 19:59:53 GMT
What's he said that's going to get the whip withdrawn (I refuse to click on a Guido link) Said some members had been unfairly suspended/expelled due to false or unfair allegations Said Starmer wasn't a very good LOTO Nodded and smiled when a crowd at a TWT rally started chanting Keith Hardly compares to Neil Coyle sending Corbyn drunken late night texts Allington him scum Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a "f**King racist" to his face Jess Philips laughing at Dianne Abbott being racially abused Or the litany of Labour MP's that literally told people to vote for other parties at the last election Well, was Hodge wrong?
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 7, 2021 20:01:02 GMT
Said some members had been unfairly suspended/expelled due to false or unfair allegations Said Starmer wasn't a very good LOTO Nodded and smiled when a crowd at a TWT rally started chanting Keith Hardly compares to Neil Coyle sending Corbyn drunken late night texts Allington him scum Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a "f**King racist" to his face Jess Philips laughing at Dianne Abbott being racially abused Or the litany of Labour MP's that literally told people to vote for other parties at the last election Well, was Hodge wrong? Yes
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 7, 2021 20:02:15 GMT
Hm. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
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Post by rivers10 on Oct 7, 2021 20:19:28 GMT
Said some members had been unfairly suspended/expelled due to false or unfair allegations Said Starmer wasn't a very good LOTO Nodded and smiled when a crowd at a TWT rally started chanting Keith Hardly compares to Neil Coyle sending Corbyn drunken late night texts Allington him scum Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a "f**King racist" to his face Jess Philips laughing at Dianne Abbott being racially abused Or the litany of Labour MP's that literally told people to vote for other parties at the last election Well, was Hodge wrong? Clearly yes Say what you want about the AS crisis in Labour, I'm the first to say that Corbyn handled it appallingly and have said as such on this forum many times But anybody that genuinely believes Corbyn himself is an anti semite is acting in tremendously bad faith
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Post by maxque on Oct 7, 2021 20:31:50 GMT
Clearly yes Say what you want about the AS crisis in Labour, I'm the first to say that Corbyn handled it appallingly and have said as such on this forum many times But anybody that genuinely believes Corbyn himself is an anti semite is acting in tremendously bad faith The current leadership isn't managing it well either. No external investigation should have been approved unless the Conservatives also agreed on an investigation in their islamophobia.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 7, 2021 20:38:02 GMT
Clearly yes Say what you want about the AS crisis in Labour, I'm the first to say that Corbyn handled it appallingly and have said as such on this forum many times But anybody that genuinely believes Corbyn himself is an anti semite is acting in tremendously bad faith The current leadership isn't managing it well either. No external investigation should have been approved unless the Conservatives also agreed on an investigation in their islamophobia. The EHRC investigation wasn’t commissioned by the current leadership, and, if the Commission decides to investigate having received a complaint(s), the subject of the investigation has no choice and can’t dictate terms such as insisting on a corresponding investigation into Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 7, 2021 20:39:18 GMT
Clearly yes Say what you want about the AS crisis in Labour, I'm the first to say that Corbyn handled it appallingly and have said as such on this forum many times But anybody that genuinely believes Corbyn himself is an anti semite is acting in tremendously bad faith No, I'm not. This is a man who said "Zionists" don't understand British history or humour despite living here their whole lives, essentially calling Jews 'rootless cosmopolitans'. He also wrote a forward for J. A. Hobson's "Imperialism: A Study" praising Hobson's analysis about the ownership of the press and finance. What was Hobson's argument about that? He believed that "men of a single and peculiar race, who have behind them many centuries of financial experience" ... "and are in a unique position to control the policy of nations" were behind imperialism to reach new markets, and that these same "men of a peculiar race" also owned the press, which they used to attain public support for their imperial project. Do I think backing up those evidently anti-semitic crackpot theories is racist? Yes, yes I do. Perhaps he's just really dim, but then that wouldn't say much for the party that handed him the keys to the place, would it?
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Post by maxque on Oct 7, 2021 20:46:25 GMT
The current leadership isn't managing it well either. No external investigation should have been approved unless the Conservatives also agreed on an investigation in their islamophobia. The EHRC investigation wasn’t commissioned by the current leadership, and, if the Commission decides to investigate having received a complaint(s), the subject of the investigation has no choice and can’t dictate terms such as insisting on a corresponding investigation into Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party. The fact it decided to investigate Labour but rejected multiple complains about the Conservative Party despite evidence shows the EHRC is biaised and it should have been the only answer from Labour to the "report".
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Post by stb12 on Oct 7, 2021 20:52:46 GMT
Clearly yes Say what you want about the AS crisis in Labour, I'm the first to say that Corbyn handled it appallingly and have said as such on this forum many times But anybody that genuinely believes Corbyn himself is an anti semite is acting in tremendously bad faith I don’t really disagree I doubt Corbyn has a personal issue with Jews. But I’d say similar for those who genuinely think Boris Johnson is a racist/homophobe based on the odd un-PC comment from years ago when all evidence from his years in elected politics suggests otherwise. Basically it’s part of the world these days where someone’s political opponent has to be made out to be the worst person possible with no nuance.
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