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Post by greenhert on Jun 23, 2021 19:28:59 GMT
John Bercow had to remain neutral throughout the campaign, though, being the Speaker of the House of Commons at the time. He was never an "uber-remainer" either. Obviously, you aren't an idiot because you read for a masters at a pre-1992 university. But I do wonder if you have any political awareness. Of course I do. I was merely pointing out that it makes no sense for John Bercow to be or ever have been a hero to "uber-remainers" (of which there are few; they are just very vocal on social media).
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Post by Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells on Jun 25, 2021 13:59:08 GMT
Yes - the consensus at the time was that whilst only a fairly small minority of Tory MPs backed him, it wasn't a statistically insignificant one. IIRC there was some chatter that Douglas Carson (and similar Tory MPs who tended to be both libertarian and members of the awkward squad) supported him. And in his earlier years he did have some support from hardline Eurosceptic backbenchers because he allowed them to cause trouble for the government. Do you mean Douglas Carswell?!
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Post by DrW on Jun 25, 2021 14:09:39 GMT
IIRC there was some chatter that Douglas Carson (and similar Tory MPs who tended to be both libertarian and members of the awkward squad) supported him. And in his earlier years he did have some support from hardline Eurosceptic backbenchers because he allowed them to cause trouble for the government. Do you mean Douglas Carswell?! Yes, I do. I will edit the post.
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 28, 2021 9:14:52 GMT
Obviously, you aren't an idiot because you read for a masters at a pre-1992 university. But I do wonder if you have any political awareness. Called out for elitism and implicit ageism. 😜 Ageism? You can still go to a pre-1992 University today! Usually you have to be over 17 but there are exceptions for a genius in maths, so a masters aged 18 is not impossible. And we had a student who started a degree aged 60..
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 28, 2021 11:36:47 GMT
Called out for elitism and implicit ageism. 😜 Ageism? You can still go to a pre-1992 University today! Usually you have to be over 17 but there are exceptions for a genius in maths, so a masters aged 18 is not impossible. And we had a student who started a degree aged 60.. When I was a student we had a couple of people starting their archaeology degrees in their 70s. First time to university for both of them.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 28, 2021 11:56:06 GMT
Ageism? You can still go to a pre-1992 University today! Usually you have to be over 17 but there are exceptions for a genius in maths, so a masters aged 18 is not impossible. And we had a student who started a degree aged 60.. When I was a student we had a couple of people starting their archaeology degrees in their 70s. First time to university for both of them. Is it archaeology when you can remember it? Surely that's just a degree in nostalgia?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 28, 2021 12:07:40 GMT
When I was a student we had a couple of people starting their archaeology degrees in their 70s. First time to university for both of them. Is it archaeology when you can remember it? Surely that's just a degree in nostalgia? At least the old fossils weren't studying geology, or paleontology.
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 28, 2021 12:20:07 GMT
Is it archaeology when you can remember it? Surely that's just a degree in nostalgia? At least the old fossils weren't studying geology, or paleontology. They were in the case I mentioned!
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 28, 2021 12:33:00 GMT
When I was a student we had a couple of people starting their archaeology degrees in their 70s. First time to university for both of them. Is it archaeology when you can remember it? Surely that's just a degree in nostalgia? On a serious note, one of the first things we were taught in foundation archaeology (that even us Egyptologists had to do) was that archaeology being the study of human material remains and making interpretations from that meant that you could actually do archaeology on stuff that wasn't even old at all. A famous case study was from Texas in the early '90s where archeologists excavated a landfill that had last had deposits a mere three years before. Their entire dig only took them back about ten years overall but they found and interpreted aspects of '80s urban Texas living, some of which was expected, some of it very surprising.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 28, 2021 17:00:04 GMT
At least the old fossils weren't studying geology, or paleontology. They were in the case I mentioned! They were in a case!? Like specimens in a museum?
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 13, 2021 8:27:05 GMT
Not a defection per se, but an announcement he plans to remain as an independent, presumably ahead of standing down in 2023/4.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 13, 2021 8:30:43 GMT
Hmm. I wonder if the party have unofficially let him know that he would not be allowed back. The terms of his suspension required that he satisfy a panel that he was improving his actions so it wasn't an automatic return.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 13, 2021 8:36:52 GMT
Hmm. I wonder if the party have unofficially let him know that he would not be allowed back. The terms of his suspension required that he satisfy a panel that he was improving his actions so it wasn't an automatic return. There’s a quote from his wife, the subject of the assault, "I have accepted my husband's apology. Throughout the decade we have been together he has been a loving and caring husband and father." which would seem to clear most obvious obstacles to a return.
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 13, 2021 10:36:10 GMT
Jonathan Edwards MP (Ind Plaid, Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) will NOT be automatically re-admitted to Plaid Cymru once his suspension ends, Plaid have announced today. I am wondering whether they are waiting to see what the Welsh Boundary Commission do with Carmarthen East (as all the possible combinations make it a Con starting point) and deciding "Do we need a stronger Plaid candidate than Mr. Edwards?" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57803629
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 13, 2021 10:41:30 GMT
Jonathan Edwards MP (Ind Plaid, Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) will NOT be automatically re-admitted to Plaid Cymru once his suspension ends, Plaid have announced today. I am wondering whether they are waiting to see what the Welsh Boundary Commission do with Carmarthen East (as all the possible combinations make it a Con starting point) and deciding "Do we need a stronger Plaid candidate than Mr. Edwards?" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57803629If you actually read the article you had linked it would be abundantly clear that it is Edwards himself who has chosen not to reapply for membership of Plaid, not the Party waiting for anything to do with boundary changes or even the behaviour which got him suspended in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 10:45:00 GMT
Jonathan Edwards MP (Ind Plaid, Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) will NOT be automatically re-admitted to Plaid Cymru once his suspension ends, Plaid have announced today. I am wondering whether they are waiting to see what the Welsh Boundary Commission do with Carmarthen East (as all the possible combinations make it a Con starting point) and deciding "Do we need a stronger Plaid candidate than Mr. Edwards?" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57803629 If you actually read the article you had linked it would be abundantly clear that it is Edwards himself who has chosen not to reapply for membership of Plaid, not the Party waiting for anything to do with boundary changes or even the behaviour which got him suspended in the first place. 🙃
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Post by greenhert on Jul 13, 2021 10:47:33 GMT
Jonathan Edwards MP (Ind Plaid, Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) will NOT be automatically re-admitted to Plaid Cymru once his suspension ends, Plaid have announced today. I am wondering whether they are waiting to see what the Welsh Boundary Commission do with Carmarthen East (as all the possible combinations make it a Con starting point) and deciding "Do we need a stronger Plaid candidate than Mr. Edwards?" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-57803629If you actually read the article you had linked it would be abundantly clear that it is Edwards himself who has chosen not to reapply for membership of Plaid, not the Party waiting for anything to do with boundary changes or even the behaviour which got him suspended in the first place. Nevertheless, it is a foregone conclusion that Carmarthen will succeed Carmarthen East & Dinefwr in constituency terms after this review, and that even if Jonathan Edwards rejoins Plaid Cymru he will likely be deselected as a consequence. Michael Brotherton got deselected by the Conservatives for less in 1983.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 13, 2021 10:49:22 GMT
Hmm. I wonder if the party have unofficially let him know that he would not be allowed back. The terms of his suspension required that he satisfy a panel that he was improving his actions so it wasn't an automatic return. There’s a quote from his wife, the subject of the assault, "I have accepted my husband's apology. Throughout the decade we have been together he has been a loving and caring husband and father." which would seem to clear most obvious obstacles to a return. Really? Why? Why would they want a known physical abuser back in the party? Abused women do that. They forgive and embrace and then get thumped up again. Forgive again and get thumped again. Don't support that syndrome. He is clearly not a nice piece of work.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jul 13, 2021 11:06:20 GMT
There’s a quote from his wife, the subject of the assault, "I have accepted my husband's apology. Throughout the decade we have been together he has been a loving and caring husband and father." which would seem to clear most obvious obstacles to a return. Really? Why? Why would they want a known physical abuser back in the party? Abused women do that. They forgive and embrace and then get thumped up again. Forgive again and get thumped again. Don't support that syndrome. He is clearly not a nice piece of work. Yes I know all that, and indeed they may have rejected his application to rejoin had such an application been forthcoming, although presumably they would have had some difficulty in extending an original sanction if no further grounds for action had taken place - if they didn’t want an abuser in their ranks then permanently expel him at the time of the criminal proceedings. Yes, that is a prevalent pattern of abuse, but, having typed domestic violence court reports for over a decade before my father’s passing, I’m equally aware that your statement is - knowing you - a deliberate generalisation that doesn’t actually fit the real world.
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Post by carlton43 on Jul 13, 2021 13:32:36 GMT
Really? Why? Why would they want a known physical abuser back in the party? Abused women do that. They forgive and embrace and then get thumped up again. Forgive again and get thumped again. Don't support that syndrome. He is clearly not a nice piece of work. Yes I know all that, and indeed they may have rejected his application to rejoin had such an application been forthcoming, although presumably they would have had some difficulty in extending an original sanction if no further grounds for action had taken place - if they didn’t want an abuser in their ranks then permanently expel him at the time of the criminal proceedings. Yes, that is a prevalent pattern of abuse, but, having typed domestic violence court reports for over a decade before my father’s passing, I’m equally aware that your statement is - knowing you - a deliberate generalisation that doesn’t actually fit the real world. No Tim, it isn't. And you really don't know me at all. Few here do. I have been concerned in assisting three females who have suffered and I live with one who did, and two of her sisters have also suffered. I am too well acquainted with the syndrome to take it lightly.
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