The Bishop
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Nov 11, 2020 11:39:47 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Nov 11, 2020 11:39:47 GMT
So you keep saying.
However, when Starmer said recently "I don't want a civil war" I actually think he meant it. So the likes of you could well be disappointed.
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Nov 11, 2020 12:39:10 GMT
Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 11, 2020 12:39:10 GMT
Tory figures are hardly great either. The difference being Labour's drop is a one-off blip that doesn't seem to have caused major knock-on effects. The Conservative figure is based on long-term schisms within the party
I think it reflects the reality within both parties. I wonder. The Conservatives are a bit of a mess but I've not heard anyone articulate an ideological divide in the same way that there was between e.g. wets and dries, Leavers v remainders, Churchillians v appeasers. Hard to do so when no-one knows what Boris stands for, though I imagine that if he stood down battle lines would be drawn. In Labour there's probably a divide between die-hard Corbynites and Blairites out for revenge but given the margin of Starmer's victory I don't think the former is a big constituency and given that Starmer himself hasn't made a big ideological pitch of any sort, let alone a repudiation of Labour's tilt to the left, I'm not sure the latter are going to be indulged. Starmer's appeal seems to be about ending civil the Corbyn War and apart from parading the fact that he's definitely not Corbyn in front of the wider electorate I'm not convinced he is going to pick many fights. The time to do that is, as Blair did, when the enemy is non-existent anyway so you can triumph for the benefit of the media without any actual bloodshed.
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Nov 11, 2020 13:35:26 GMT
Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 11, 2020 13:35:26 GMT
So you keep saying. However, when Starmer said recently "I don't want a civil war" I actually think he meant it. So the likes of you could well be disappointed. Exactly who does want a civil war? When the EHRC reported, there was a duty on Corbyn finally, at long last, to come to his senses. He ought to have apologised and sought to make things right. That would have been a service to the party (and a long overdue gesture of acknowledgment to the British Jewish community). Instead, what did that stupid self-regarding fool do? Repeated exactly the behaviour the report had said was the cause of the problem. Corbyn's suspension was his choice. He must have known what would happen, that his supporters (and a few gullible fools) would start a campaign for his reinstatement. How many more must suffer because of that appalling man's ego?
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Nov 11, 2020 13:58:55 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 11, 2020 13:58:55 GMT
As long as it stops Starmer becoming PM, anything goes.
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Nov 11, 2020 15:45:09 GMT
Post by Sibboleth on Nov 11, 2020 15:45:09 GMT
In the entire history of the Labour Party there has never been a major factional purge, though an incumbent Leader has been expelled.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 11, 2020 15:55:30 GMT
In the entire history of the Labour Party there has never been a major factional purge, though an incumbent Leader has been expelled. In addition George Barnes was expelled after he had been leader, but was a minister.
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Nov 14, 2020 10:40:26 GMT
Post by hullenedge on Nov 14, 2020 10:40:26 GMT
Today's RedBox:-
Con 35 Lab 40 LD 5 Greens 5 Brexit 4
* These figures may be corrected. The graphic is showing Con +3???
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Nov 14, 2020 10:44:06 GMT
Post by jollyroger93 on Nov 14, 2020 10:44:06 GMT
Today's RedBox:- Con 35 Lab 40 LD 5 Greens 5 Brexit 4 * These figures may be corrected. The graphic is showing Con +3??? cons must be on 38% if its plus 3
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 17, 2020 8:13:54 GMT
The corrected figures:-
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Nov 17, 2020 8:32:11 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 17, 2020 8:32:11 GMT
Effectively equal. If the outcome is electoral reform and the possibility of realignment, good.
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 21, 2020 9:48:44 GMT
Today's Redbox:-
Con 38 (=) Lab 37 (-3) LD 7 (+2) Greens 6 (+1) Brexit 4 (=)
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Nov 23, 2020 16:38:26 GMT
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Post by Jack on Nov 23, 2020 16:38:26 GMT
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Nov 23, 2020 16:59:18 GMT
Post by Andrew_S on Nov 23, 2020 16:59:18 GMT
6% is a very high percentage for the SNP given that only 8% of the UK population is in Scotland.
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Nov 23, 2020 21:10:46 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Nov 23, 2020 21:10:46 GMT
People in Tunbridge Wells must be voting for them...
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Post by No Offence Alan on Nov 23, 2020 21:32:32 GMT
People in Tunbridge Wells must be voting for them... Well, according to the cross tables 1% of London is voting Plaid Cymru.
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The Bishop
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Nov 25, 2020 11:56:39 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Nov 25, 2020 11:56:39 GMT
Of course, Scottish subsamples in GB-wide polls often aren't that reliable anyway. As some of us have pointed out many times before
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Nov 25, 2020 18:14:08 GMT
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peterl
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Nov 25, 2020 18:25:28 GMT
Post by peterl on Nov 25, 2020 18:25:28 GMT
While the overall percentage is not suprising, I am suprised to see a significant majority of both Labour and Lib Dem voters supporting the reduction. I'm also suprised that more Lib Dem than Labour supporters are in favoir.
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Nov 28, 2020 1:14:11 GMT
Post by greenchristian on Nov 28, 2020 1:14:11 GMT
Of course if you ask what the foreign aid budget should be as a percentage of government expenditure you'll almost certainly end up with something that looks like a large majority who want a massive increase.
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 28, 2020 10:56:50 GMT
Labour back in the lead (Redbox):-
Con 37 (-1) Lab 40 (+3) LD 5 (-2) Greens 5 (-1) Brexit 5 (+1)
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