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Nov 28, 2020 12:32:35 GMT
Post by lackeroftalent on Nov 28, 2020 12:32:35 GMT
Labour back in the lead (Redbox):- Con 37 (-1) Lab 40 (+3) LD 5 (-2) Greens 5 (-1) Brexit 5 (+1) Are the SNP on 5% too?
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 28, 2020 18:54:17 GMT
Labour back in the lead (Redbox):- Con 37 (-1) Lab 40 (+3) LD 5 (-2) Greens 5 (-1) Brexit 5 (+1) Are the SNP on 5% too? SNP figure not released but it's likely to be 5% ish.
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Nov 28, 2020 23:12:39 GMT
Post by redtony on Nov 28, 2020 23:12:39 GMT
4 Parties coming third is that a record?
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Post by hullenedge on Nov 29, 2020 11:38:52 GMT
About 40% Don't Know but recent PMs (bar TB) score poorly.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 29, 2020 11:51:39 GMT
Poll carried out in May 2019. Attitudes may have changed.
Including Churchill in these surveys is silly because respondents can't be expected to split off his lethargic do-nothing post-war four year term from his wartime achievements.
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Nov 29, 2020 12:12:27 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Nov 29, 2020 12:12:27 GMT
Yep, even if the question says "post-war" or "peacetime" many will ignore that and just think "SPITFIRES!".
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 29, 2020 12:49:29 GMT
Yeah these sort of surveys become more like a name-recognition exercise!
Churchill was a terrible peacetime PM.
I think that only 3 of those significantly impacted the nation due to their policies: Thatcher, Blair and Attlee [who would be my pick]. The fact that Thatcher and Blair ruled for 10+ years automatically gives them a head start in any such poll too. To be fair Wilson did a lot to modernise Britain in the 60s, but other than the OAPs who were around at the time, that would be lost on the average voter.
I should add Cameron I suppose to my list as he enabled brexit with his disastrous referendum policy and he will go down in history for that!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 29, 2020 13:17:11 GMT
Wilson has a separate problem. He is credited for the social changes which happened during his government, and for the legal changes associated with them - women's rights, abortion, decriminalisation of homosexuality. Wilson had little to do with two of those and for one of them, was a lukewarm supporter at best. Wilson wanted his government to be known for economic planning and for renewing British industry, and on that he had little success. (I would argue that was because of short-termism among managers, and the City's preference for short-term profits over long-term investment, but that's another question)
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Nov 29, 2020 14:24:28 GMT
I wonder what the figures would look like if the poll were adjusted for name recognition.
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 29, 2020 14:28:56 GMT
Wilson has a separate problem. He is credited for the social changes which happened during his government, and for the legal changes associated with them - women's rights, abortion, decriminalisation of homosexuality. Wilson had little to do with two of those and for one of them, was a lukewarm supporter at best. Wilson wanted his government to be known for economic planning and for renewing British industry, and on that he had little success. (I would argue that was because of short-termism among managers, and the City's preference for short-term profits over long-term investment, but that's another question) I think Wilson's real strength was holding together a cabinet and party containing wildly different views with notable success. And to an extent, allowing his ministers to pursue their own interests, for example, the home affairs social reforms which were Jenkins' priority.
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Nov 29, 2020 20:00:40 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Nov 29, 2020 20:00:40 GMT
His great weakness was allowing the north-south divide (as it's now called) to grow at a crucial time.
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Post by hengo on Nov 30, 2020 14:45:23 GMT
His great weakness was allowing the north-south divide (as it's now called) to grow at a crucial time. Yet , his government made a number of mostly disastrous attempts to address this by both bolstering failing industries in the north ( and Wales) and shifting some others bodily - to also fail. So “ allowing” probably isn’t fair though certainly unsuccessful. As we may agree that the growth of economic inequality between regions has been a bad thing, what, with the benefit of hindsight could or should have been done by that as well as the immediately preceding and succeeding administrations, which may have made Thatchers reforms, which arrested national decline and restored national prosperity but at a great cost to some areas less necessary?
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Dec 6, 2020 0:16:32 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Dec 6, 2020 0:16:32 GMT
I would not entirely agree with that view of history.
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Post by hullenedge on Dec 10, 2020 12:06:49 GMT
Today's Redbox:-
Con 37 (-1) Lab 37 (-1) LD 8 (+2)
The changes don't tally unless we're missing a poll.
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Dec 10, 2020 12:25:48 GMT
Post by bigfatron on Dec 10, 2020 12:25:48 GMT
I believe there was one last week which would tally.
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Dec 10, 2020 12:30:23 GMT
Post by hullenedge on Dec 10, 2020 12:30:23 GMT
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Dec 10, 2020 12:49:57 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Dec 10, 2020 12:49:57 GMT
LibDems creeping up with Brexit again a thing does seem to be confirmed by a number of pollsters now.
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Post by tonygreaves on Dec 10, 2020 16:19:56 GMT
I am known to be no fan of "Leaders" as the answer to a party's problems. But even I wonder - if only we had a Grimond or an Ashdown or a (sober) Kennedy now...
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Dec 10, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
Post by Merseymike on Dec 10, 2020 17:17:03 GMT
I am known to be no fan of "Leaders" as the answer to a party's problems. But even I wonder - if only we had a Grimond or an Ashdown or a (sober) Kennedy now... I think you chose the wrong candidate. Davey is as dull as Starmer but as leader of the fourth party just can't grab any attention. Moran perhaps could have done simply because she's a bit different. It would have been a risk, but like us, you played safe, and that may not have been the best option.
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Dec 10, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
Post by hengo on Dec 10, 2020 17:21:33 GMT
Would it be better to be laughed at rather than forgotten? You may be right.
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