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Post by greenhert on Oct 27, 2020 20:46:42 GMT
Well FPTP proponents would concede that 44% v 28% is a landslide win It was in 1983 for Maggie It was 42.4% vs. 27% then, actually.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 27, 2020 20:51:18 GMT
Quite interesting: Obvs strong support for CANZUK there. USA down at 34th. Ireland is 11th. Scandinavian countries strong (Iceland 12, Denmark 14, Finland 16). Perhaps a surprise to not see France higher (22nd), but maybe that's because of our love/hate relationship with the French . Also Germany down at 26th in interesting. A few twats in the replies saying "Only white countries then" - as though Brits should be listing some random African country that 99% have never been to and they know nothing about, as their favourite country Not that surprising that all three Scandinavian countries made the top 10 of this survey; 1200 years on from when the Vikings first landed in England we still feel a strong connection to Scandinavia in some respects.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 27, 2020 20:56:01 GMT
Quite interesting: Obvs strong support for CANZUK there. USA down at 34th. Ireland is 11th. Scandinavian countries strong (Iceland 12, Denmark 14, Finland 16). Perhaps a surprise to not see France higher (22nd), but maybe that's because of our love/hate relationship with the French . Also Germany down at 26th in interesting. A few twats in the replies saying "Only white countries then" - as though Brits should be listing some random African country that 99% have never been to and they know nothing about, as their favourite country Not that surprising that all three Scandinavian countries made the top 10 of this survey; 1200 years on from when the Vikings first landed in England we still feel a strong connection to Scandinavia in some respects. Yeah - it's the folk memory of rape and pillage and the Danegeld. That'll be it..
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 27, 2020 21:18:09 GMT
Not that surprising that all three Scandinavian countries made the top 10 of this survey; 1200 years on from when the Vikings first landed in England we still feel a strong connection to Scandinavia in some respects. Yeah - it's the folk memory of rape and pillage and the Danegeld. That'll be it.. The fact that my godson speaks a dialect from Newbiggin that is in some respects as close to Danish as standard English might also have something to do with it.
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Post by mboy on Oct 27, 2020 21:18:53 GMT
I realise that's tongue-in-cheek, but after the rape and pillage came settlement and centuries of shared culture.
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Oct 27, 2020 21:19:32 GMT
It was in 1983 for Maggie It was 42.4% vs. 27% then, actually. i take the point I was thinking of rounded GB shares!
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Oct 28, 2020 13:06:41 GMT
Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2020 13:06:41 GMT
Denmark feels a lot like being in Britain, especially on Jutland or the Whisky Belt, which is a bit like Surrey grafted onto the side of Formby and Southport. I'm not sure I'd say that about the others. I'd definitely not say it about Iceland, which is nothing like the other Scandinavian countries despite the shared heritage (and if we are talking the Nordics generally, Finland is even less so).
A lot of people in Britain seem to think that Scandinavia is one concept with a bit of changing scenery, and also have no idea that these countries have any flaws. See similarly Switzerland.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2020 13:08:00 GMT
At the risk of resurrecting debates that should rest long buried, we've never had a referendum with any proportional system as an option... Part of the problem is which system to use. Lib dems want not really pr STV. Greens want a mixed regional system with 3% threshold. labour may want a 5% threshold or 3 seat STV if they ever pick a system. Quite. Being offered "proportional representation" is the equivalent of a specials board in a restaurant that says "Today's Special: Food".
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Post by mboy on Oct 28, 2020 13:21:31 GMT
Denmark feels a lot like being in Britain, especially on Jutland or the Whisky Belt, which is a bit like Surrey grafted onto the side of Formby and Southport. I'm not sure I'd say that about the others. I'd definitely not say it about Iceland, which is nothing like the other Scandinavian countries despite the shared heritage (and if we are talking the Nordics generally, Finland is even less so). A lot of people in Britain seem to think that Scandinavia is one concept with a bit of changing scenery, and also have no idea that these countries have any flaws. See similarly Switzerland. I loved Copenhagen. Like Amsterdam, it feels "Homey, but different" in a way that Paris, Lisbon, Athens, Rome and Barcelona don't - they are all very definitely not "homey". (Though they are all wonderful, in different ways). Copenhagen is much more homey than, for example, Sydney or anywhere in America. Only places in Ireland and New Zealand feel more homey than Copenhagen and Amsterdam. (And maybe some parts of Canada, but not all)
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Post by nodealbrexiteer on Oct 28, 2020 13:35:51 GMT
67.9% vs 32.1% in an actual referendum is a bigger landslide than 44/28 in a poll... At the risk of resurrecting debates that should rest long buried, we've never had a referendum with any proportional system as an option... Thank God(or whatever deity you worship).
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Oct 28, 2020 13:42:47 GMT
Post by tonygreaves on Oct 28, 2020 13:42:47 GMT
My favourite country is Scotland. Does not seem to be in the list. (My favourite place is the Pennines but that is a different matter).
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 28, 2020 13:56:00 GMT
Sealand.
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 28, 2020 14:02:22 GMT
Denmark feels a lot like being in Britain, especially on Jutland or the Whisky Belt, which is a bit like Surrey grafted onto the side of Formby and Southport. I'm not sure I'd say that about the others. I'd definitely not say it about Iceland, which is nothing like the other Scandinavian countries despite the shared heritage (and if we are talking the Nordics generally, Finland is even less so). A lot of people in Britain seem to think that Scandinavia is one concept with a bit of changing scenery, and also have no idea that these countries have any flaws. See similarly Switzerland. I loved Copenhagen. Like Amsterdam, it feels "Homey, but different" in a way that Paris, Lisbon, Athens, Rome and Barcelona don't - they are all very definitely not "homey". (Though they are all wonderful, in different ways). Copenhagen is much more homey than, for example, Sydney or anywhere in America. Only places in Ireland and New Zealand feel more homey than Copenhagen and Amsterdam. (And maybe some parts of Canada, but not all) I like Copenhagen too, but I don't get this homey thing particularly- indeed I feel more at home in major French provincial city like Toulouse say. or substitute Bordeaux, Lyon, Marseille. Perhaps you have to be Francophile to feel like that? Is it a language thing?
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Post by mboy on Oct 28, 2020 14:06:12 GMT
I speak passable French but no Danish, and am quite a Francophile, so I dunno. France feels proper foreign to me (which is why I go a lot, lol)
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Oct 28, 2020 14:27:05 GMT
Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 28, 2020 14:27:05 GMT
I speak passable French but no Danish, and am quite a Francophile, so I dunno. France feels proper foreign to me (which is why I go a lot, lol) Much the same here, except I do speak French fluently (on that note, Belgium also feels quite British)- France definitely feels foreign to me. Apart from Lille. Cologne, Bonn, Dusseldorf and the Tyrol (bizarrely, when I think about it) are also places that feel like home to me.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 28, 2020 14:35:59 GMT
I speak passable French but no Danish, and am quite a Francophile, so I dunno. France feels proper foreign to me (which is why I go a lot, lol) Much the same here, except I do speak French fluently (on that note, Belgium also feels quite British)- France definitely feels foreign to me. Apart from Lille. Cologne, Bonn, Dusseldorf and the Tyrol (bizarrely, when I think about it) are also places that feel like home to me. There are parts of central and southern France that have always felt like home to me and it was an instant and complete feeling, as of a 'coming home'. I have it too for parts of Tuscany but not so strongly in first instance. And again for Ross and Sutherland a feeling of having always known it and being of it.
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 28, 2020 17:11:03 GMT
I speak passable French but no Danish, and am quite a Francophile, so I dunno. France feels proper foreign to me (which is why I go a lot, lol) Much the same here, except I do speak French fluently (on that note, Belgium also feels quite British)- France definitely feels foreign to me. Apart from Lille.Cologne, Bonn, Dusseldorf and the Tyrol (bizarrely, when I think about it) are also places that feel like home to me. The odd bit about that is that I feel less at home in Lille than almost anywhere in France. It doesn't really feel French to me, more like Belgium. Nothing wrong with that, I quite like Belgium too, but I don't get that warm comfortable feeling that I feel at home as I do in La France Profonde. or for that matter in Brittany - Fougeres is sort of a second home to me. Generally like Carlton I would say central and southern France, and though I picked out the four big cities as we were comparing Copenhagen I am even more ar home in the villages and small towns.
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Oct 28, 2020 17:21:56 GMT
Post by Andrew_S on Oct 28, 2020 17:21:56 GMT
I visited Lille in 2006 and liked it so much I vowed to return as soon as possible but haven't got round to it yet. It's terrible how time seems to speed up.
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Post by archaeologist on Oct 28, 2020 17:22:59 GMT
I'm not sure what it is that make me feel 'at home' - not landscape or language. I definitely feel at home in Sweden, Denmark, northern Germany, Netherlands and Belgium. But I felt very not 'at home' in Ireland. Other places I love would be Budapest and Barcelona but I would never say I felt at home there. Strangely, the place where I have felt most at home and comfortable has been in Japan. There is something about it that just seems to fit with my personality.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 29, 2020 0:50:21 GMT
I'm not sure what it is that make me feel 'at home' - not landscape or language. I definitely feel at home in Sweden, Denmark, northern Germany, Netherlands and Belgium. But I felt very not 'at home' in Ireland. Other places I love would be Budapest and Barcelona but I would never say I felt at home there. Strangely, the place where I have felt most at home and comfortable has been in Japan. There is something about it that just seems to fit with my personality. None of those feel at home to me, but much of Belgium seems very like the parts of Britain I dislike the most, especially their quite awful motorway service areas.
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