polupolu
Lib Dem
Liberal (Democrat). Socially Liberal, Economically Keynesian.
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Post by polupolu on Oct 23, 2020 12:23:03 GMT
Lots of people will soon be looking for a protest party. The Lib Dems and their predecessors used to fill that role, and later UKIP and to a lesser extent the BNP and the Greens. Any sensible independent would have a good chance if they went for it at the next local elections. Then again, "sensible" is the problem. And the problem with "independent" has always been that it tells you nothing about their outlook or what they would vote for.
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YouGov
Oct 26, 2020 16:41:58 GMT
Post by hullenedge on Oct 26, 2020 16:41:58 GMT
Figures confirmed.
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YouGov
Oct 26, 2020 16:43:48 GMT
Post by hullenedge on Oct 26, 2020 16:43:48 GMT
More interesting...
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Jack
Reform Party
Posts: 8,140
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Post by Jack on Oct 26, 2020 19:24:40 GMT
Went to the Moon and it was shit.
No atmosphere at all.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 26, 2020 22:32:24 GMT
Went to the Moon and it was shit. No atmosphere at all. Well that joke cratered.
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Post by Penddu on Oct 27, 2020 7:47:10 GMT
Lunartics....
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mboy
Liberal
Listen. Think. Speak.
Posts: 22,400
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Oct 27, 2020 10:43:29 GMT
Post by mboy on Oct 27, 2020 10:43:29 GMT
Quite interesting: Obvs strong support for CANZUK there. USA down at 34th. Ireland is 11th. Scandinavian countries strong (Iceland 12, Denmark 14, Finland 16). Perhaps a surprise to not see France higher (22nd), but maybe that's because of our love/hate relationship with the French . Also Germany down at 26th in interesting. A few twats in the replies saying "Only white countries then" - as though Brits should be listing some random African country that 99% have never been to and they know nothing about, as their favourite country
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The Bishop
Labour
Down With Factionalism!
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Oct 27, 2020 11:09:46 GMT
Post by The Bishop on Oct 27, 2020 11:09:46 GMT
Some older people still don't like Germany (and Japan) for fairly obvious reasons. I would bet it scores higher amongst the young.
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 27, 2020 15:41:00 GMT
Come on!!!
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J.G.Harston
Lib Dem
Leave-voting Brexit-supporting Liberal Democrat
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 27, 2020 16:01:40 GMT
Great, so 44% of seats will be elected by PR, and the other 28% by FPTP.
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Oct 27, 2020 16:04:02 GMT
Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Oct 27, 2020 16:04:02 GMT
Great, so 44% of seats will be elected by PR, and the other 28% by FPTP.
And the other 28% by drawing lots?
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Post by yellowperil on Oct 27, 2020 16:05:00 GMT
Great, so 44% of seats will be elected by PR, and the other 28% by FPTP. Hopefully I can appoint the other 28%
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 27, 2020 16:16:30 GMT
Well FPTP proponents would concede that 44% v 28% is a landslide win
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nodealbrexiteer
Forum Regular
non aligned favour no deal brexit!
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Oct 27, 2020 16:53:08 GMT
Post by nodealbrexiteer on Oct 27, 2020 16:53:08 GMT
Well FPTP proponents would concede that 44% v 28% is a landslide win It was in 1983 for Maggie
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Oct 27, 2020 17:57:04 GMT
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Post by london(ex)tory on Oct 27, 2020 17:57:04 GMT
Well FPTP proponents would concede that 44% v 28% is a landslide win 67.9% vs 32.1% in an actual referendum is a bigger landslide than 44/28 in a poll...
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Tony Otim
Green
Suffering from Brexistential Despair
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 27, 2020 18:37:03 GMT
Well FPTP proponents would concede that 44% v 28% is a landslide win 67.9% vs 32.1% in an actual referendum is a bigger landslide than 44/28 in a poll... At the risk of resurrecting debates that should rest long buried, we've never had a referendum with any proportional system as an option...
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Post by manchesterman on Oct 27, 2020 20:04:09 GMT
Indeed , that was a very naive Clegg getting totally outplayed by Cameron et al. I those negotiations the Tories really did have their cake and eat it
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mboy
Liberal
Listen. Think. Speak.
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Post by mboy on Oct 27, 2020 20:09:13 GMT
Indeed , that was a very naive Clegg getting totally outplayed by Cameron et al. I those negotiations the Tories really did have their cake and eat it The Tories simply would have rejected the deal (and called an Autumn election) rather than accept a full PR referendum.
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myth11
Non-Aligned
too busy at work!
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Post by myth11 on Oct 27, 2020 20:42:35 GMT
67.9% vs 32.1% in an actual referendum is a bigger landslide than 44/28 in a poll... At the risk of resurrecting debates that should rest long buried, we've never had a referendum with any proportional system as an option... Part of the problem is which system to use. Lib dems want not really pr STV. Greens want a mixed regional system with 3% threshold. labour may want a 5% threshold or 3 seat STV if they ever pick a system.
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YouGov
Oct 27, 2020 20:44:18 GMT
Post by manchesterman on Oct 27, 2020 20:44:18 GMT
Indeed , that was a very naive Clegg getting totally outplayed by Cameron et al. I those negotiations the Tories really did have their cake and eat it The Tories simply would have rejected the deal (and called an Autumn election) rather than accept a full PR referendum. ..because they knew they would lose it
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