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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 2, 2020 21:41:03 GMT
I always knew modern Europe's first dictator would be a gay Irish mixed-race doctor. I am Fuhrerious at that post and Francoly think that Musso've been some mistake? Honestly, it should have been Petain-tly obvious that this would happen.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 2, 2020 22:54:30 GMT
I am Fuhrerious at that post and Francoly think that Musso've been some mistake? Honestly, it should have been Petain-tly obvious that this would happen. Can we have a quiz about how many more European dictators can fit into this thread? Obviously there aren't many so it could only be a quisling.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 2, 2020 22:59:47 GMT
Honestly, it should have been Petain-tly obvious that this would happen. Can we have a quiz about how many more European dictators can fit into this thread? Obviously there aren't many so it could only be a quisling. There are only two certainties for people who spend their lives discussing European dictators. Death and Metaxas.
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Post by robert1 on Apr 3, 2020 11:16:18 GMT
They could of course all be Put in the same category. Hoxha feel about that?
Please- bonus points for anyone who can get Ceaucescu into this thread!!!
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Post by bluelabour on Apr 3, 2020 16:23:05 GMT
Please- bonus points for anyone who can get Ceaucescu into this thread!!!
That would be Tito-ly impossible
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 3, 2020 19:11:58 GMT
It has just struck me that, in taking emergency powers all for himself, Leo has achieved the dream of FG back in the Blue shirt days.
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Post by markgoodair on Apr 15, 2020 17:43:24 GMT
It appears that Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have agreed to a formal coalition government.
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Post by obsie on Apr 15, 2020 21:42:45 GMT
It appears that Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have agreed to a formal coalition government. They (more precisely the party leaderships) have agreed a wonderfully vague list of things that would be nice to have but somehow were never got round to during the last nine years of plenty and wise FG governance, and are now trying to lure one of the pale pink or green parties to bite. They're still eight short.
The main beneficiary of all of this in the short to medium term will be Mary Lou, still recovering from a bout of COVID-19. In the longer term, FG may benefit more from the likely collapse of the political centre much as the Tories benefited from the Lib Dem collective self-immolation.
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Post by nelson on Apr 15, 2020 22:04:32 GMT
It appears that Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have agreed to a formal coalition government. They have agreed to form a majority government of "three or more parties or groups", so not much has changed. They also still need to have the deal approved by their respective parties and there'll be significant internal opposition in FF. I guess it's a victory for Simon Coveney, since he has been the driving force behind FG's involvement in a grand coalition. A lot of Varadkar's inner circle seem to have preferred new elections believing they can cash in on their good "Corona polls".
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Post by obsie on Apr 15, 2020 22:19:39 GMT
It appears that Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have agreed to a formal coalition government. They have agreed to form a majority government of "three or more parties or groups", so not much has changed. They also still need to have the deal approved by their respective parties and there'll be significant internal opposition in FF. I guess it's a victory for Simon Coveney, since he has been the driving force behind FG's involvement in a grand coalition. A lot of Varadkar's inner circle seem to have preferred new elections believing they can cash in on their good "Corona polls". It would still be necessary for the Varadkar wing to at least make a show of having made an effort to construct a government. Their media outriders would then be able to portray a second election as a contest between the forces of civility and civilization on the one hand and a barbarous council estate rabble on the other, with FF getting crushed in the middle.
I don't believe there was ever a sincere desire to go back into opposition once the result was finalized and they were within a couple of seats of Fianna Fáil; a worse result where they would clearly be the junior partner in coalition would have been far too much of a blow to their self-regard, but equality was acceptable and Martin's desire to be Taoiseach at all costs means that they are in a strong position to extract concessions from him.
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Post by relique on Apr 19, 2020 11:12:17 GMT
Do you know if there's somewhere in the world wide web some constituency-by-constituency analysis of the results by some interesting people ? With insights into one or another's campaign, local background etc etc...
Thank's.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Jun 15, 2020 20:50:54 GMT
Approval Ratings: Leo Varadkar 75% (+45) Mary Lou McDonald 49% (+8) Micheál Martin 46% (+16) Eamon Ryan 40% nc
Government 72% (+51)
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jun 16, 2020 10:16:54 GMT
Approval Ratings: Leo Varadkar 75% (+45) Mary Lou McDonald 49% (+8) Micheál Martin 46% (+16) Eamon Ryan 40% nc Government 72% (+51) Why did Leo bother going into coalition with FF as the junior partner? Why didnt he dissolve parliament and call a snap election? An unnecessary three months after the last one election, during the Corvid-19 crisis? His party's rating would have collapsed. There is a real fear of SF now and FFs ratings are only so low due to a perceived foot-dragging by Martin and his negotiating team. Take no opinion polls seriously at this time. Added to which, FG came third at the election, he is the caretaker Taoiseach and couldn't get another election through the Dail.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jun 16, 2020 10:28:39 GMT
They'd be snap elections in dozens of countries over the next few months if Corona bumps were deemed a good enough reason to hold them.
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Post by obsie on Jun 16, 2020 11:05:23 GMT
Approval Ratings: Leo Varadkar 75% (+45) Mary Lou McDonald 49% (+8) Micheál Martin 46% (+16) Eamon Ryan 40% nc Government 72% (+51) Why did Leo bother going into coalition with FF as the junior partner? Why didnt he dissolve parliament and call a snap election? Because the President would have the discetion to refuse a dissolution if an alternative government could be formed.
I still think that FG have a blame game strategy in reserve where the negotiations collapse due to the Green and/or FF memberships refusing to agree to the deal, a second election is *reluctantly* called, and FG storm to victory with the help of a largely uncritical media and great-and-good fearful above all of the rise of SF. Whether this strategy would work in practice is an entirely different matter.
But at the moment, Varadkar gets to present himself as the selfless hero yielding power briefly to a less popular opponent and biding his time, De Gaulle-like, in Carpenterstown-les-Deux-Églises, for a grateful nation to call for his leadership.
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Post by relique on Jun 16, 2020 11:50:42 GMT
Why did Leo bother going into coalition with FF as the junior partner? Why didnt he dissolve parliament and call a snap election? Because the President would have the discetion to refuse a dissolution if an alternative government could be formed.
I still think that FG have a blame game strategy in reserve where the negotiations collapse due to the Green and/or FF memberships refusing to agree to the deal, a second election is *reluctantly* called, and FG storm to victory with the help of a largely uncritical media and great-and-good fearful above all of the rise of SF. Whether this strategy would work in practice is an entirely different matter.
But at the moment, Varadkar gets to present himself as the selfless hero yielding power briefly to a less popular opponent and biding his time, De Gaulle-like, in Carpenterstown-les-Deux-Églises, for a grateful nation to call for his leadership.
He should beware, for he is younger than de Gaulle at the start of his "traversée du désert", but still, it took France 12 years to call back de Gaulle, and a war.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 21, 2020 6:35:14 GMT
Because the President would have the discetion to refuse a dissolution if an alternative government could be formed.
I still think that FG have a blame game strategy in reserve where the negotiations collapse due to the Green and/or FF memberships refusing to agree to the deal, a second election is *reluctantly* called, and FG storm to victory with the help of a largely uncritical media and great-and-good fearful above all of the rise of SF. Whether this strategy would work in practice is an entirely different matter.
But at the moment, Varadkar gets to present himself as the selfless hero yielding power briefly to a less popular opponent and biding his time, De Gaulle-like, in Carpenterstown-les-Deux-Églises, for a grateful nation to call for his leadership.
He should beware, for he is younger than de Gaulle at the start of his "traversée du désert", but still, it took France 12 years to call back de Gaulle, and a war.
two wars. One lost, one losing.
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Post by thinwhiteduke on Jun 26, 2020 19:46:36 GMT
All three parties have approved the Program For Government.
FG - YES 80%, NO 20%.
FF - YES 74% NO 26%.
Green Party - YES 76% NO 24%.
Coalition will be formed tomorrow with Micheál Martin as Taoiseach.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 26, 2020 20:21:47 GMT
All three parties have approved the Program For Government. FG - YES 80%, NO 20%. FF - YES 74% NO 26%. Green Party - YES 76% NO 24%. Coalition will be formed tomorrow with Micheál Martin as Taoiseach. The Green result surprises me, thought it would be closer. It may just be who I’m friends with in their party in NI, but the feedback I saw was overwhelmingly negative. You’d think the Soldiers of Treachery would have voted more overwhelmingly in favour. Yes, they’d be selling out their principles to get in government. But they don’t even pretend to have any principles other than being in government. If I lived in the Republic, I’d be a member of FG. I would have voted in favour. But hoping the other parties voted against.
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Post by nelson on Jun 26, 2020 20:31:29 GMT
All three parties have approved the Program For Government. FG - YES 80%, NO 20%.FF - YES 74% NO 26%. Green Party - YES 76% NO 24%. Coalition will be formed tomorrow with Micheál Martin as Taoiseach. Only 57% among councillors. Their grasroots aren't happy.
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