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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 14, 2018 22:20:27 GMT
We need to change the way we count votes, its too slow. If this was America we'd all be in bed by now. How hard can it be? #bored "They need a small hours declaration not an automated counting system!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 22:24:36 GMT
That explains why the old bloke outside my polling station seemed saddened when I told him I hadn't kept mine. This seems dodgy, are they allowed to ask how you voted?? Not if they want to remain there for any length of time. Practices have varied over the years by time and by location. My experience from 1966 (gulp!) to 2000-ish was: Tellers were permitted to stand outside the polling station. Often they were provided with chairs; even a table! If there was a lobby then they would be allowed in there. As voters went in they would be asked "Hello. Could I have your number please?". 75% would look at the card and read out the number; 15% would say they had forgotten to bring it, but would then be asked for their name & address which most would give; 10% would refuse, politely or less so. Agents, Tellers and Polling Station staff got on fine. All was - generally - sunny. [ There were potential pitfalls but I won't list them here, mostly involving IME unsavoury Labour types ] Then, from about 1997 (cough ...) for some reason the rules started to change (cough ...). No longer allowed inside or to sit in many cases (not great for older volunteers when it was p***ing down, or cold); barred from asking on the way in, only on the way out. ( "Can I have your number please?" "What's that?" "It's on the card that you handed to the polling clerk and which he has now put in a bin ...") We went from being people who helped the electoral process to some sort of sinister threat to public security and decency. And the same people who brought in these changes also moaned about declining political participation. I'm glad to have never had as poor experience as that. I've only ever stood twice I've sat in every other every year since 2009. You have forgot when people read out the wrong number and half a dozen people have the same 3 digit number
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jun 14, 2018 22:38:17 GMT
Four hours for a stand alone election in an urban seat on a low turnout is bloody ridiculous. low staff numbers Councils can claim back the cost of Parliamentary elections from the MoJ so it shouldn’t be an issue.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2018 22:42:55 GMT
"With a bit of luck"
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 14, 2018 22:47:26 GMT
We need to change the way we count votes, its too slow. If this was America we'd all be in bed by now. How hard can it be? #bored It's quicker just about everywhere else for one reason alone, and that's because each polling division counts its own votes and reports them in.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 14, 2018 22:57:19 GMT
We need to change the way we count votes, its too slow. If this was America we'd all be in bed by now. How hard can it be? #bored Some things never seem to change: Lewisham have always been slow at counting votes. I think at the 1983 election they were the last London seats to declare, (apart from the ones that weren't scheduled to start counting until the next morning).
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jun 14, 2018 23:00:57 GMT
If we counted our votes like America, then roughly 400-500 seats would be 'called' within about five minutes of the polls closing on general election nights. Much less fun.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 14, 2018 23:05:59 GMT
A bit of a surprise — Sky News are live at the count.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2018 23:07:57 GMT
John thingy just said result expected between 1 and 2 AM. A lot better than the 3 AM which was mentioned earlier.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2018 23:08:37 GMT
Anyhow turnout confirmed as 33.4%.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 14, 2018 23:09:31 GMT
"Soon" loses all meaning on by-election night.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 14, 2018 23:18:18 GMT
FT chief political correspondent:
"Jim Pickard @pickardje
well-placed rumour is that Labour majority in Lewisham East has been slashed thanks to strong surge by the Liberal Democrats"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 23:23:59 GMT
FT chief political correspondent: "Jim Pickard @pickardje well-placed rumour is that Labour majority in Lewisham East has been slashed thanks to strong surge by the Liberal Democrats" in what sense? If their majority is half of last time 12,000 would still by 36% over the lib dems on a 33% turnout
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2018 23:28:02 GMT
Press coverage of Parliamentary byelections in safe Labour seats has often been rendered poor by an obsession with the numerical majority, which invariably falls because the turnout is so much lower. I expect that to happen here as well.
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 14, 2018 23:31:31 GMT
Press coverage of Parliamentary byelections in safe Labour seats has often been rendered poor by an obsession with the numerical majority, which invariably falls because the turnout is so much lower. I expect that to happen here as well. well, if the Labour majority has been "slashed" by the Lib Dems and not the Tories, it will be mainly Labour votes that have gone to them and the % majority will have fallen considerably
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Post by greenhert on Jun 14, 2018 23:32:22 GMT
Has anyone got a link to live coverage, please?
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 14, 2018 23:35:20 GMT
I am going to go with my earlier prediction of figures similar in % terms to 2010. That would be a swing of about 25% Lab to Lib Dem
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2018 23:47:34 GMT
Declaration imminent, apparently
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 14, 2018 23:54:47 GMT
Candidates on the stage but the RO doesn't seem to have come up with them.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jun 14, 2018 23:55:20 GMT
Oh heck, the microphones aren't working.
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