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Post by cathyc on Oct 26, 2024 12:19:06 GMT
Georgian politicians will never change! Was it Marjorie Taylor Greene who claimed that there were more votes in Georgia in 2020 than there were people registered there? Looks like she might have had a point.  |
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Post by Delighted Of Tunbridge Wells on Oct 26, 2024 13:18:22 GMT
Georgian politicians will never change! Was it Marjorie Taylor Greene who claimed that there were more votes in Georgia in 2020 than there were people registered there? Looks like she might have had a point. I mean, she would probably fit in well with the average Georgian politician tbf |
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Post by iain on Oct 26, 2024 16:03:54 GMT
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Post by iain on Oct 26, 2024 17:35:13 GMT
Results from electronic voting machines have arrived for 69% of voting precincts.
Georgian Dream: 53%
Coalition for Change: 11%
Unity — National Movement: 10%
Strong Georgia: 9%
For Georgia: 8%
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Post by iain on Oct 26, 2024 22:25:14 GMT
Looks like this has been outright rigged sadly
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 26, 2024 22:56:41 GMT
Looks like this has been outright rigged sadly You're Donald Trump and I claim my £5. |
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Post by mboy on Oct 27, 2024 7:38:53 GMT
Well, the evidence looks rather stronger than for Trump though, doesn't it. But maybe you're right - maybe the election here was as fair as you think the last one was in Russia, and Belarus...
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 27, 2024 11:19:35 GMT
"Fraud" was claimed for Moldova, too - naturally only as long as the results did not suit the usual suspects. (But just 2 precincts for hundredthousands of emigrants in Russia is also "rigged"; and Uschi endorsing de facto Mrs.Sandu is also "foreign interference"; and EU-promises to fund them, if they opt "correctly", is also "vote-buying"...)
The permanent breakDown of the EC's site made me initially very sceptical, too; but then inCompetence in counting is common in lots of these (S)E-European countries: For hours publishing noThing, not least because the EC-site is down; then, when all leaders have already claimed victory and the first clashes happened, the by parliament elected (= more or less partisan) EC-chief releasing pompously (instead of posing as unobstrusive civilServant) initial/final data.
Plus they released to my surprise PDFs of all precincts' signed documents, while we are still waiting for those in Venezuela.
Remain "irRegularities" and indeed some "coalition of civil society groups" claimed few hundred of them, here and there of more systematical nature - yet, that's rather not enough to explain away those 54%.
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 27, 2024 11:29:04 GMT
There are actual pictures of ballot stuffing in this one, you can't get much more blatant than that. And one suspects it wasn't in aid of the opposition, somehow.
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Post by iain on Oct 27, 2024 13:52:57 GMT
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Post by johnhemming on Oct 27, 2024 14:09:27 GMT
Looks like this has been outright rigged sadly You're Donald Trump and I claim my £5. When I reported election fraud to the police in Birmingham they called it "Operation Gripe." |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 27, 2024 16:50:44 GMT
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 28, 2024 0:40:34 GMT
There are actual pictures of ballot stuffing in this one, you can't get much more blatant than that. And one suspects it wasn't in aid of the opposition, somehow. No, there is footage of alleged ballot stuffing, neither you or I have any idea if that footage is genuine or not. I have seen claims that the footage is fake and that ballot boxes in Georgia don't look anything like that but I have no way of knowing if such claims are true or not. The only credible stance to take in a situation like this is not to take the claims of either side at face value. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 28, 2024 2:06:39 GMT
The OSCE has also not proclaimed decisive fraud (so far, but they will surely be pressured to do so): www.osce.org/files/f/documents/3/0/579346.pdfBy calling their media "diverse but highly polarized" they also refute the often heard claim of it being totally one-sided and government-controlled. As said above, the EC even scanned&published themselves the precinctProtocols (what the opPosition in Venezuela had to photograph&collect itself): results.cec.gov.ge/#/en-us/election_57/tr/protIn case their site breaks down once again 1 example:  |
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Post by iain on Oct 28, 2024 7:44:00 GMT
There are actual pictures of ballot stuffing in this one, you can't get much more blatant than that. And one suspects it wasn't in aid of the opposition, somehow. No, there is footage of alleged ballot stuffing, neither you or I have any idea if that footage is genuine or not. I have seen claims that the footage is fake and that ballot boxes in Georgia don't look anything like that but I have no way of knowing if such claims are true or not. The only credible stance to take in a situation like this is not to take the claims of either side at face value. That particular polling station had its voting suspended, so we can say with some certainty that it is genuine footage if you care to look into it even the slightest bit. Very few rural polling stations had observers who’d be in a position to record this kind of behaviour. |
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Post by iain on Oct 28, 2024 7:58:53 GMT
No-one is claiming that Georgian Dream had 20% support. What has happened is that rigging has put them from narrow loser to a narrow winner. If the Opposition had been more competent then this rigging could probably have been overcome, but that doesn’t change the fact GD cheated.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Oct 28, 2024 10:15:28 GMT
No-one is claiming that Georgian Dream had 20% support. What has happened is that rigging has put them from narrow loser to a narrow winner. If the Opposition had been more competent then this rigging could probably have been overcome, but that doesn’t change the fact GD cheated. I wrote above, that some "irregularities" had doubtlessly taken place, but probably not to an decisive extent - what this Twitterer indicates by claiming "400" fraudulent out of totally "3,500" researched precincts; and all of them "rural", i.e. more or less thinly settled. |
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Post by johng on Oct 28, 2024 21:30:17 GMT
Pretty decently sized protests tonight in Tbilisi.
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Post by mrpastelito on Oct 29, 2024 8:02:32 GMT
That would be the 37% sore losers then. "It's only a democracy if we win."
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Post by rcronald on Oct 29, 2024 8:08:50 GMT
That would be the 37% sore losers then. "It's only a democracy if we win." I’m honestly more suspicious of pro-western parties in the former USSR (excluding ones that are in the eu) since Pashinyan and Sandu won. Both are pretty much using the state as a weapon against the opposition like the pro-Russian parties used to do. |
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