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Post by peterl on Apr 28, 2018 19:08:16 GMT
No, not even if the EU spontaneously disbands tomorrow. If God had intended us to be part of Europe, he wouldn't have put the English Channel in the way!  |
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 28, 2018 19:12:13 GMT
Mentioning Mercia, was not Wednesbury briefly the capital of Mercia when Tamworth fell to the Danes? No, because Anglo-Saxon kings were itinerant and had no permanent administrative offices, so the concept of a capital has no real meaning. Exactly - the very next day they'd pitch their tents at Thursbury. |
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Post by Foggy on Apr 28, 2018 19:59:05 GMT
No, not even if the EU spontaneously disbands tomorrow. If God had intended us to be part of Europe, he wouldn't have put the English Channel in the way! How does the presence of the Channel make us part of a different continent?? |
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Post by peterl on Apr 28, 2018 20:11:00 GMT
The Channel sets us apart as an independent sovereign entity. We are not part of a single land mass, and therefore we are separate.
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Post by maxque on Apr 28, 2018 20:35:32 GMT
The Channel sets us apart as an independent sovereign entity. We are not part of a single land mass, and therefore we are separate. So, what, UK will become part of Oceania? |
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Post by Foggy on Apr 28, 2018 20:45:09 GMT
The Channel sets us apart as an independent sovereign entity. We are not part of a single land mass, and therefore we are separate. So, what, UK will become part of Oceania? The conclusion to Peter's thinking would seem to be that either the UK is a separate continent in its own right (sometimes a nice idea for the British Isles, but self-evidently preposterous) or that it is part of North American (perish the thought). Going by his hypothesis, Majorca, Corsica, Sardinia, Corfu and Bornholm clearly aren't European either.  |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 28, 2018 21:41:26 GMT
So, what, UK will become part of Oceania? The conclusion to Peter's thinking would seem to be that either the UK is a separate continent in its own right (sometimes a nice idea for the British Isles, but self-evidently preposterous) or that it is part of North American (perish the thought). Going by his hypothesis, Majorca, Corsica, Sardinia, Corfu and Bornholm clearly aren't European either. Anglesey isn't Welsh, Skye isn't Scottish, and the Isle of Wight isn't Eng ......... Oh, hang on. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 28, 2018 21:44:47 GMT
Kingston-upon-Thames has the English equivalent of the Stone of Scone. I initially read that as Kingston-Upon-Hull. I was surprised. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 28, 2018 21:51:26 GMT
Aberffraw and Abergwyngregyn have been claimed as royal seats.
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Post by peterl on Apr 29, 2018 10:50:24 GMT
Well if you think about it, the idea of a continent is really quite meaningless. I mean, yes we are on the same tectonic plate as Europe, but that would encompass much of Asia as well.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 29, 2018 11:36:15 GMT
Well if you think about it, the idea of a continent is really quite meaningless. I mean, yes we are on the same tectonic plate as Europe, but that would encompass much of Asia as well. No, it just isn't.You can't understand the history, economy, culture or society* of Britain without looking at those of our neighbouring countries i.e. Europe, and vice versa to some extent. You also need to look at North America a bit (and certainly more so than you do to understand, say, Italy) but that's firstly because the sheer size of the US economy makes it a global superpower and secondly because much of the US and Canadian population have British ancestry. But France, Italy and Germany don't have the ancestral links and only Germany has anything like the USA's global reach - their influence on us is entirely because of geographical proximity i.e. because we're part of Europe. That was true 500, 1,000, 2,000 or 3,000 years ago; it's nothing to do with membership of or even the existence of the EU (I nearly said nothing to do with Brexit but actually it's got plenty to do with how we manage Brexit.) EDIT: or ecology. |
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Post by peterl on Apr 29, 2018 17:28:36 GMT
Well if the criteria for a continent is countries that have affected each other in terms of history, economy culture and society then you would have to match up Britain with India and Pakistan (as well as of course the US, Canada, Australia etc), France with parts of Africa, Spain and Portugal with South America. "European" countries have very little in common when it comes down to it. Europe is a construct and does not really mean an awful lot.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 29, 2018 19:01:32 GMT
Well if the criteria for a continent is countries that have affected each other in terms of history, economy culture and society then you would have to match up Britain with India and Pakistan (as well as of course the US, Canada, Australia etc), France with parts of Africa, Spain and Portugal with South America. "European" countries have very little in common when it comes down to it. Europe is a construct and does not really mean an awful lot. The criteria is a defined geographical area within which proximity forces continual and permanent interaction. Colonial history resulting from specific time limited circumstances is a different thing (and likely to dissipate over time.) |
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Post by mrpastelito on Apr 29, 2018 20:41:51 GMT
The criteria is a defined geographical area within which proximity forces continual and permanent interaction. The Mediterranean isn't a continent though. |
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Post by neilm on Apr 30, 2018 8:45:47 GMT
Kingston-upon-Thames has the English equivalent of the Stone of Scone. What is the English equivalent? |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 30, 2018 9:22:57 GMT
It is called the Coronation Stone, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 9:34:33 GMT
It is called the Coronation Stone, I believe. It stands outside the offices of Surrey County Council. Originally it was in St Mary's Church, but was moved after being retrieved from the rubble when the church collapsed.  |
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 30, 2018 13:45:30 GMT
Well if the criteria for a continent is countries that have affected each other in terms of history, economy culture and society then you would have to match up Britain with India and Pakistan (as well as of course the US, Canada, Australia etc), France with parts of Africa, Spain and Portugal with South America. "European" countries have very little in common when it comes down to it. Europe is a construct and does not really mean an awful lot. A continent is a geological concept. Europe is not a separate continent. It is part of Eurasia, and has been ever since the formation of Pangaea at the end of the Carboniferous era. Britain has been part of Europe since roughly the same time. Before then it was part of America (or Laurentia as geologists call it), along with Scandinavia. |
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Post by peterl on Apr 30, 2018 14:24:48 GMT
Exactly. Europe is not a continent. It is a social construct.
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 30, 2018 14:55:24 GMT
Europe is not a continent. It is a social construct. The internet was a mistake. |
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