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Post by john07 on Sept 9, 2012 21:33:08 GMT
'headbangers' doesn't seem like quite the right term for Calvinists somehow Are you joking? Headbanger describes a lot of Calvininsts perfectly. Pastor Jack Glass was an example. Even the young Ian Paisley described him as being "a bit of an extremist". The Free Presbeterian Church of Scotland (Wee Wee Frees) once expelled then Lord Chancellor Baron Mackay of Clashfern for attending the funerals of two Catholic judicial colleagues. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 9, 2012 22:01:24 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 9, 2012 22:25:28 GMT
'headbangers' doesn't seem like quite the right term for Calvinists somehow Are you joking? Headbanger describes a lot of Calvininsts perfectly. Pastor Jack Glass was an example. Even the young Ian Paisley described him as being "a bit of an extremist". The Free Presbeterian Church of Scotland (Wee Wee Frees) once expelled then Lord Chancellor Baron Mackay of Clashfern for attending the funerals of two Catholic judicial colleagues. You must win a prize for the length of time taken to reply to a post. The point I was making (and it was less than a serious one I should point out) was that for me the term 'headbanger' evokes the kind of raucous lifestyle of fans of heavy metal music - heavy drinking, drug taking, promiscuity, in other words a lifestyle one does not tend to associate with Calvinists. I'm well aware of course that the term has been adopted by those on the left to describe anyone who is even slightly to the right of centre, but in the context of describing extreme puritans it seemed a little incongruous |
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Post by erlend on Sept 9, 2012 22:42:50 GMT
I would probably regard large segments of the left fringe as equally headbangers.
And would probably underatand that view being expressed about some of my lot.
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Post by john07 on Sept 9, 2012 23:00:59 GMT
You must win a prize for the length of time taken to reply to a post. The point I was making (and it was less than a serious one I should point out) was that for me the term 'headbanger' evokes the kind of raucous lifestyle of fans of heavy metal music - heavy drinking, drug taking, promiscuity, in other words a lifestyle one does not tend to associate with Calvinists. I'm well aware of course that the term has been adopted by those on the left to describe anyone who is even slightly to the right of centre, but in the context of describing extreme puritans it seemed a little incongruous Being a bit late to join this forum, I sometimes stumble across points worthy of a reply. I was not thinking of the punk or metal use of the term headbanger but the single minded political or religious zealot. This could easily be of the left as of the right. The Conservative Party (and UKIP) tend to be too pragmatic (although some would say opportunistic) to fit the description. Daniel Hannan probably comes closest though! |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 9, 2012 23:04:37 GMT
I would probably regard large segments of the left fringe as equally headbangers. And would probably underatand that view being expressed about some of my lot. I'm not sure. Referring to a Liberal headbanger just seems a bit off. Crazed, yes. Genuinely unhinged, on occasion. In a couple of cases I might even refer to them as fundamentally unsuited for public office. But I can't think of any LDs I know who I'd call headbangers. I'm not sure why it doesn't fit - perhaps because radical liberalism doesn't generally cause the huge knock-on consequences for everybody else that things that get you termed a headbanger normally do? |
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Post by john07 on Sept 9, 2012 23:12:46 GMT
I would probably regard large segments of the left fringe as equally headbangers. And would probably underatand that view being expressed about some of my lot. I'm not sure. Referring to a Liberal headbanger just seems a bit off. Crazed, yes. Genuinely unhinged, on occasion. In a couple of cases I might even refer to them as fundamentally unsuited for public office. But I can't think of any LDs I know who I'd call headbangers. I'm not sure why it doesn't fit - perhaps because radical liberalism doesn't generally cause the huge knock-on consequences for everybody else that things that get you termed a headbanger normally do? Not even our departed friend from Preston? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 9, 2012 23:16:37 GMT
I feel I've already given three critical assessments that serve perfectly well.
I believe he once mentioned that he does/did gig reviewing. It's possible he headbanged there, I suppose. So perhaps to that extent, but not in any other respect.
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Post by markgoodair on Sept 10, 2012 6:05:51 GMT
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Post by erlend on Sept 10, 2012 7:08:19 GMT
I would probably regard large segments of the left fringe as equally headbangers. And would probably underatand that view being expressed about some of my lot. I'm not sure. Referring to a Liberal headbanger just seems a bit off. Crazed, yes. Genuinely unhinged, on occasion. In a couple of cases I might even refer to them as fundamentally unsuited for public office. But I can't think of any LDs I know who I'd call headbangers. I'm not sure why it doesn't fit - perhaps because radical liberalism doesn't generally cause the huge knock-on consequences for everybody else that things that get you termed a headbanger normally do? I suppose it is those that take certain issues to an extreme within the ranks that I think could get that label thrown at them. Euro Federalists being one. There are some whose beliefs are well past the average on passing powers over. Perhaps some who have nothing to think about but the totality of constitutional reform or my favourite ones to groan at the Site Value Rating/Land Value Taxation enthusiasts. The last can solve every problem in the country by LVT. |
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Post by erlend on Sept 10, 2012 7:09:38 GMT
I'm not sure. Referring to a Liberal headbanger just seems a bit off. Crazed, yes. Genuinely unhinged, on occasion. In a couple of cases I might even refer to them as fundamentally unsuited for public office. But I can't think of any LDs I know who I'd call headbangers. I'm not sure why it doesn't fit - perhaps because radical liberalism doesn't generally cause the huge knock-on consequences for everybody else that things that get you termed a headbanger normally do? Not even our departed friend from Preston? If I were to mention departed friends the one from Edge/Mossley Hill might fit.. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 11, 2012 11:30:39 GMT
Just for useful (?) context and all that, results from last time round by province:  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 11, 2012 11:31:37 GMT
The CDA's weakness in Brabant/Limburg is still shocking. The KVP used to take like 80% out that way, back in the day.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 11, 2012 12:34:03 GMT
It would be nice to have these broken down by municipailty, if you have a spare moment
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 11, 2012 17:10:58 GMT
A Dutch poster in my little fiefdom has actually just posted a link to some. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 11, 2012 17:20:16 GMT
Fantastic
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 11, 2012 17:34:50 GMT
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Post by iainbhx on Sept 11, 2012 21:22:14 GMT
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 11, 2012 22:26:56 GMT
VVD
Libertarische Partij
Anti Europa Partij
SGP
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Post by YL on Sept 12, 2012 7:19:39 GMT
VVD Libertarische Partij Anti Europa Partij SGP PVV CDA OK, it's not the best test, but anyone still going to argue that the VVD should be described using the English word "liberals"? |
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