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Post by erlend on Aug 14, 2012 21:00:14 GMT
I think the Dutch have a bigger tradition of finding solutions than the Greeks.
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 15, 2012 10:34:37 GMT
They do (of course), but this kind of radicalisation is pretty much unprecedented. The VVD is way to the right of the CDA and the SP is way to the left of the PvdA.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 15, 2012 10:49:44 GMT
I suppose the question is - would that change if they became permanently established as the "main" parties??
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 15, 2012 11:20:39 GMT
I'm not sure if 'permanence' is really a concept that has any relevance to Dutch politics these days.
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 15, 2012 17:12:40 GMT
With these polls, I wonder if the Dutch could be going to the polls again a couple of months after this election? SP+PvdA+GrLinks+D66 should do it. |
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 27, 2012 12:23:36 GMT
Poll standings on the 24th Augustus
VVD 34 (-1)
SP 30 (+1)
PvDA 22 (-1)
PVV 19 (+1)
CDA 14 (-)
D66 14 (-)
CU 6 (+1)
GL 5 (+1)
PvVD 3 (-)
SGP 2 (-1)
50+ 1 (-1)
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Post by Andrew_S on Aug 30, 2012 16:06:36 GMT
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Post by iainbhx on Aug 31, 2012 11:31:34 GMT
Taking a short break before my exciting meeting in darkest Croydon
28th August (TNS-NIPO)
VVD 36 SP 30 PvdA 24 PVV 15 CDA 13 D66 12 CU 7 GL 4 SGP 3 PvdD 3 50+ 3
29th August (Een Vandaag)
VVD 33 SP 30 PvDA 21 PVV 18 D66 14 CDA 13 CU 7 GL 4 50+ 4 SGP 3 PvdD 3
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 3, 2012 20:57:15 GMT
Latest poll: VVD 35, PvdA 30, SP 24, PVV 18, CDA 14, D66 14, CU 4, PvdD 4, GL 3, SGP 2, 50Plus 2
Samsom (PvdA leader) was widely seen as having won the telly debates.
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 3, 2012 21:25:25 GMT
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 3, 2012 23:20:04 GMT
No, just secular Conservatives. |
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Post by thetop on Sept 4, 2012 0:44:08 GMT
Did anyone hear the report on PM today about how their is a growing Eurosceptic vote in Holland? That would have been unthinkable ten years ago Pim Fortuyn's List came second in the 2002 general election. |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 4, 2012 10:08:38 GMT
Well, the piece in last weekend's Observer bigging up the SP maybe looks a bit ill-timed now......
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Post by Richard Allen on Sept 4, 2012 11:35:53 GMT
Did anyone hear the report on PM today about how their is a growing Eurosceptic vote in Holland? That would have been unthinkable ten years ago Pim Fortuyn's List came second in the 2002 general election. Euro-scepticism was hardly the only reason for that. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 4, 2012 13:50:39 GMT
Pim Fortuyn's List came second in the 2002 general election. Yes but it isn't just Pim Fortuyn. The socialist parties are now questioning the validity of the EU according to the BBC piece. The European left has always been predominantly Euro-sceptic. It's just more noticeable in the Netherlands because their left is in a different party from their centre-left. It's worth recalling that Van Rompuy is a Christian Democrat, and that a super-majority of the European Commission are right of centre. Britain is unusual in that our mainstream right is Eurosceptic. |
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 4, 2012 14:42:58 GMT
No, just secular Conservatives. No Liberals, just not my cup of tea (though better now that the likes of Verdonk left). |
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Post by thetop on Sept 4, 2012 15:27:54 GMT
Yes but it isn't just Pim Fortuyn. The socialist parties are now questioning the validity of the EU according to the BBC piece. As EAL argued, Euroscepticism is not a new thing for left-wing parties (see UK Labour when it had a significant left-wing). Pim Fortuyn's List came second in the 2002 general election. Euro-scepticism was hardly the only reason for that. Well nor is Euroscepticism the only draw for the parties promoting it nowadays. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Sept 4, 2012 17:05:26 GMT
Well nor is Euroscepticism the only draw for the parties promoting it nowadays. Never claimed otherwise. |
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Post by tricky on Sept 6, 2012 20:36:17 GMT
No, just secular Conservatives. They're really not. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 9, 2012 18:29:18 GMT
New poll: PvdA 35, VVD 35, SP 21, PVV 19, CDA 13, D66 11, CU 6, GL 4, PvdD 3, SGP 2, 50plus 1
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