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Post by The Bishop on Jun 12, 2018 10:18:08 GMT
I have my suspicions about who Erdogan will blame for that.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 11:22:21 GMT
The polls now have Akşener collapsing and the opposition consolidating behind İnce. It still looks like there will be a run-off.
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Post by mboy on Jun 12, 2018 11:48:47 GMT
Excellent. Game on.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 12, 2018 16:21:32 GMT
On a not unrelated note, Mesut Özil and Gundogan are apparently shocked that German fans are booing them for kissing Erdo's arse. |
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Post by myth11 on Jun 12, 2018 17:29:29 GMT
As long as Ince or Aksener come second there is a possibility. On the downside, Erdogan must sense this, and is likely to be particularly unhinged in the next 3 weeks... Ince did call Erdogan a "White Turk" so i not convinced he going to be a lot better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 18:53:29 GMT
As long as Ince or Aksener come second there is a possibility. On the downside, Erdogan must sense this, and is likely to be particularly unhinged in the next 3 weeks... Ince did call Erdogan a "White Turk" so i not convinced he going to be a lot better. Wasn't the context that Istanbul born Erdogan just plays "the Anatolian card" as man of the people even if he is urban middle class? İnce self-identify as a White Turk (educated, secular, progressive, coastal etc.). It's not a slur. |
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Post by myth11 on Jun 12, 2018 19:07:47 GMT
Ince did call Erdogan a "White Turk" so i not convinced he going to be a lot better. Wasn't the context that Istanbul born Erdogan just plays "the Anatolian card" as man of the people even if he is urban middle class? İnce self-identify as a White Turk (educated, secular, progressive, coastal etc.). It's not a slur. Don,t think a uk mp would get away with it but its gives the EU a headache if he does win because he really does want Turkey to join the EU. |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 12, 2018 20:04:01 GMT
Wasn't the context that Istanbul born Erdogan just plays "the Anatolian card" as man of the people even if he is urban middle class? İnce self-identify as a White Turk (educated, secular, progressive, coastal etc.). It's not a slur. Don,t think a uk mp would get away with it but its gives the EU a headache if he does win because he really does want Turkey to join the EU. Turkey need to start meeting the criteria before that's going to become a live issue... |
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Post by thirdchill on Jun 12, 2018 20:07:22 GMT
Don,t think a uk mp would get away with it but its gives the EU a headache if he does win because he really does want Turkey to join the EU. Turkey need to start meeting the criteria before that's going to become a live issue... Freeing the imprisoned journalists for a start.... |
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Post by myth11 on Jun 12, 2018 20:19:50 GMT
Don,t think a uk mp would get away with it but its gives the EU a headache if he does win because he really does want Turkey to join the EU. Turkey need to start meeting the criteria before that's going to become a live issue... To the same level of Hungary... but i think a number of EU countries will make Turkey jump higher. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2018 20:29:11 GMT
Wasn't the context that Istanbul born Erdogan just plays "the Anatolian card" as man of the people even if he is urban middle class? İnce self-identify as a White Turk (educated, secular, progressive, coastal etc.). It's not a slur. Don,t think a uk mp would get away with it but its gives the EU a headache if he does win because he really does want Turkey to join the EU. I think you misunderstand. White Turk doesn't refer to race (it's coined as a parallel to WASP, but only in the "educated coastal elite" sense). It's a secular, educated, urban Turk from the coast and the opposite of a Black Turk (a conservative, religious Turk from the interior Anatolia). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 12, 2018 21:34:54 GMT
White Turk doesn't refer to race Although in the military-elite many look(ed) - according to journalist P.SchollLatour - very European (probably descendants of the yeniceri, Christian boys taken from the Balkan). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 18, 2018 1:53:38 GMT
In EarlyVoting abroad a low participation is reported in Austria (although AKP is working hard to bring its voters to the PollingStations; additionally ÖVP&FPÖ have closed 7 mosques, what naturally infuriated the Erdogan-people), while a high one in SwitzerLand.
Interestingly the majority 2011 was for AKP in Austria and for HDP in SwitzerLand; referendum 2015: SwitzerLand 62% NO, Austria 74% YES.
Of course, only a very small part of the electorate, but perhaps a first indication (besides the large rallies of Ince), that the Turks do also not like SnapElections (plus the current CurrencyCrisis, plus a tiredness of elections [or even of Erdogan])?
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 19, 2018 5:48:43 GMT
In EarlyVoting abroad a low participation is reported in Austria (although AKP is working hard to bring its voters to the PollingStations; additionally ÖVP&FPÖ have closed 7 mosques, what naturally infuriated the Erdogan-people), while a high one in SwitzerLand. Interestingly the majority 2011 was for AKP in Austria and for HDP in SwitzerLand; referendum 2015: SwitzerLand 62% NO, Austria 74% YES. Of course, only a very small part of the electorate, but perhaps a first indication (besides the large rallies of Ince), that the Turks do also not like SnapElections (plus the current CurrencyCrisis, plus a tiredness of elections [or even of Erdogan])? I am sorry - i (relying on the left "TagesAnzeiger" and the right "Basler Zeitung") reported an influx in CH, but seem to be wrong. Published numbers: 36.8% CH 42.4% A Referendum: 57.1% CH 50.6% A |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jun 20, 2018 0:34:46 GMT
In EarlyVoting abroad a low participation is reported in Austria (although AKP is working hard to bring its voters to the PollingStations; additionally ÖVP&FPÖ have closed 7 mosques, what naturally infuriated the Erdogan-people), while a high one in SwitzerLand. Interestingly the majority 2011 was for AKP in Austria and for HDP in SwitzerLand; referendum 2015: SwitzerLand 62% NO, Austria 74% YES. Of course, only a very small part of the electorate, but perhaps a first indication (besides the large rallies of Ince), that the Turks do also not like SnapElections (plus the current CurrencyCrisis, plus a tiredness of elections [or even of Erdogan])? I am sorry - i (relying on the left "TagesAnzeiger" and the right "Basler Zeitung") reported an influx in CH, but seem to be wrong. Published numbers: 36.8% CH 42.4% A Referendum: 57.1% CH 50.6% A Correction of the correction: www.vaaju.com has reported, that by MonDay (so less TuesDay) CH had indeed a surge in TurnOut: 49.2% CH 47.7% A |
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Post by cogload on Jun 23, 2018 19:59:19 GMT
Ince has staged a few final rallies which have attracted huge crowds; in Izmir (should do here as it is a CHP stronghold), Istanbul and Ankara. Some unofficial polling (Polls are technically banned 10 days prior to the election) has Erdogan in the 47-53 range, the latter being what a Turkish tv station posted in a "results" programme. The AKP meanwhile are polling in the mid to low 40's with all eyes on whether the HDP finish below 10% thereby gifting a load of seats to the AKP.
In order to assist this task the Law have been arresting all the HDP ballot box observers presumably off lists supplied by the Turkish election authorities.
A pretty neutral source in the newspaper Ahval has been surveying the South East and the feeling is that the Kurdish vote could be crucial. The smart money is on the AKP to get a kicking, especially in Van, Diyabakir and what remains of Sur however ballot box stuffing and disappearing polling stations may suppress the HDP vote.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 21:35:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 7:48:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 14:04:24 GMT
The polls have now closed. But there is a ban on publishing both results and exit polls for the next four hours.
Three people have died in a fight at a polling station in Erzurum province, the provincial leader of IYI were reportedly among them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 14:33:06 GMT
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