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Post by greenhert on Mar 23, 2018 0:05:08 GMT
The Conservatives won the coin toss in Ockendon.
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 23, 2018 0:05:19 GMT
Good capitalist coin
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 23, 2018 0:05:29 GMT
AYLESBURY VALE Central and Walton
Waheed Raja (Liberal Democrat) 551
Lou Redding (Conservative) 425
Philip Jacques (Labour and Co-operative Party) 267
Matt Williams (Green Party) 61
Kyle Arron Paul Michael (Independent) 44
Turnout: 27.85%
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 23, 2018 0:06:20 GMT
If there's a tie, the winner of the coin toss/straw drawing/picking of cards receives the Returning Officer's casting vote and is elected by a majority of one vote. That's the law. why is there casting vote never included in their total? It is included in the result. You should not see the result showing an actual tie. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 23, 2018 0:09:13 GMT
I was thinking this myself, luckily no one will be affected as it's between Conservatives and Labour (who no one predicted to win). Not so. It makes a difference between those who predicted Conservative and those who went for Independent. Anyway, this probably should be for the Prediction thread. (And David, above, is probably right). Yes those who predicted an Independent win would get 10 faults whereas those who predicted a Conservative win would get 5 faults if we were to apply, in reverse, the same principle that applies when people predict a draw between two candidates and one of those candidates wins. However only one candidate can win and that will be the candidate who wins the toss of the coin |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 0:09:29 GMT
When Andrew Teale posted the results from the Wheathamstead election earlier this week where the Conservative & Lib Dem polled the same number of votes it was shown as a tie
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 23, 2018 0:10:07 GMT
THURROCK Ockendon
Andrew Jeffries (The Conservative Party) 697
Les Strange (Labour Party) 696
Allen Mayes (Thurrock Independents) 531
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 23, 2018 0:10:19 GMT
Don't bring Godd into this.... |
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Post by robbienicoll on Mar 23, 2018 0:10:33 GMT
I was thinking this myself, luckily no one will be affected as it's between Conservatives and Labour (who no one predicted to win). Not so. It makes a difference between those who predicted Conservative and those who went for Independent. Anyway, this probably should be for the Prediction thread. (And David, above, is probably right). Right enough, was thinking along the lines that as the Conservative won it doesn't impact as no one predicted Labour but badly worded. And yes, hopefully we can get clarity on it for the future. |
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 23, 2018 0:11:53 GMT
Don't bring Godd into this.... *hides in embarrassment* |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 23, 2018 0:13:24 GMT
why is there casting vote never included in their total? It is included in the result. You should not see the result showing an actual tie. It was drawn to our attention recently that an actual tie was exactly how such a result (in Wheathampstead) was presented on the St Albans website www.stalbans.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/elections/electionresults/districtresults/sadc-2006.aspxI can see you point from a legalistic perspective but from the point of view providing accurate information I'm grateful to them for taking the approach they have here (though they probably should have indicated that the official result actually had the lib Dems on 1133 votes in this case) |
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Post by andrewp on Mar 23, 2018 7:15:10 GMT
Chiltern DC , Ridgeway
Nicholas Southworth Con 268
Mohammad Bhatti Lab 230
Frances Van Ijzendoorm Liberal Democrat 203
Conservative gain from Independent
Turnout 37.1%
Chesham Town Council, Ridgeway
Nicholas Southworth Con 278
Frances Van Ijzendoorn Lib Dem 231
Susan Proctor Lab 191
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Post by YL on Mar 23, 2018 7:53:13 GMT
It is included in the result. You should not see the result showing an actual tie. It was drawn to our attention recently that an actual tie was exactly how such a result (in Wheathampstead) was presented on the St Albans website www.stalbans.gov.uk/council-and-democracy/elections/electionresults/districtresults/sadc-2006.aspxI can see you point from a legalistic perspective but from the point of view providing accurate information I'm grateful to them for taking the approach they have here (though they probably should have indicated that the official result actually had the lib Dems on 1133 votes in this case) When it happened in West Ecclesfield in 2016 the result was reported with the vote added but with a footnote saying what had happened: www.sheffieldnewsroom.co.uk/result-west-ecclesfield-ward-2/(The candidates involved are David Ogle and Zoe Sykes.) |
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Post by andrewp on Mar 23, 2018 8:20:28 GMT
Children DC , Ridgeway Nicholas Southworth Con 268 Mohammad Bhatti Lab 230 Frances Van Ijzendoorm Liberal Democrat 203 Conservative gain from Independent Turnout 37.1% Chesham Town Council, Ridgeway Nicholas Southworth Con 278 Frances Van Ijzendoorn Lib Dem 231 Susan Proctor Lab 191 good that the kids get their own district council  Damn predictive text. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 8:36:55 GMT
We seem to be repeatedly rather fortunate in Thurrock
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Mar 23, 2018 9:50:03 GMT
We seem to be repeatedly rather fortunate in Thurrock Still quite an encouraging vote share for Labour, I'd have thought; it's the sort of place that they ought to be very competitive in but in a lot of cases have been pushed into 3rd place by UKIP over recent years. They're a bit lucky IMO in that UKIP have imploded without Labour needing to do much. (In interests of fairness, I expect the LDs to pick up some "None of the Above" Kippers in e.g. the Wezvengland.) |
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Post by YL on Mar 23, 2018 9:51:44 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 23, 2018 10:00:21 GMT
CITY OF LONDON Billingsgate
John Michael ALLEN-PETRIE (Independent) 40
Dawn Linsey WRIGHT (Independent) 30
Alpa RAJA (Independent) 14
Timothy George Christie BECKER (Independent) 6
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 23, 2018 10:08:48 GMT
Given that we had never even stood a candidate in the Ridgway ward of Chesham, it was a decent result and I hope the local Labour party can do some work and win it next time.
However there really is a lesson here about getting into the culture of not running a candidate. Way back in my teenage years we held a county seat in Chesham and held the Pond Park ward which is most of Ridgway with ease. I know things change but this is not an area which should return Conservative councillors
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 11:05:45 GMT
42.9% Turnout in Penicuik.
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