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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 13:37:29 GMT
from Sky Greek anti-bailout party leader, Alexis Tsipras, says other parties have agreed two-year coalition deal excluding his party how is that possible ? You have answered your own question in your opening statement...  |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 13, 2012 14:13:02 GMT
from Sky Greek anti-bailout party leader, Alexis Tsipras, says other parties have agreed two-year coalition deal excluding his party how is that possible ? It will only be possible if one of the anti-bailout parties come on board. Syriza seem almost certain not and it would be huge shock if the communists did. Golden Dawn presumably wouldn't and frankly it would be disgusting if anybody even asked them to. That leaves Democratic left and Independent Greeks. It is possible that one of them might have a change of heart. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 13, 2012 14:29:41 GMT
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Post by tombv on May 13, 2012 20:57:34 GMT
There are some key figures in the article that David posted:
8 out of 10 would vote the same way as last week in a new election.
7 out of 10 would like their political elite to form a Government of some kind on the back of last week’s results,
and 6 out of 10 do not think Syriza's plans are realistic.
Despite all that polls are indicating Syriza would come first in a new election, but not by enough for a plausible anti-austerity coalition to be formed.
Anyone want to guess what's going to happen next?!
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Post by iainbhx on May 13, 2012 21:01:59 GMT
There are some key figures in the article that David posted: 8 out of 10 would vote the same way as last week in a new election. 7 out of 10 would like their political elite to form a Government of some kind on the back of last week’s results, and 6 out of 10 do not think Syriza's plans are realistic. Despite all that polls are indicating Syriza would come first in a new election, but not by enough for a plausible anti-austerity coalition to be formed. Anyone want to guess what's going to happen next?! Well, we'll have a second election and if that still leads to a stalemate, then I imagine Greece will default anyway. |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 13, 2012 21:08:12 GMT
There are some key figures in the article that David posted: 8 out of 10 would vote the same way as last week in a new election. 7 out of 10 would like their political elite to form a Government of some kind on the back of last week’s results, and 6 out of 10 do not think Syriza's plans are realistic. Despite all that polls are indicating Syriza would come first in a new election, but not by enough for a plausible anti-austerity coalition to be formed. Anyone want to guess what's going to happen next?! Surely with the extra 50 seats for winning there would be a decent shot of Syriza being able to form some sort of anti-austerity coalition. |
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Post by iainbhx on May 13, 2012 21:11:42 GMT
There are some key figures in the article that David posted: 8 out of 10 would vote the same way as last week in a new election. 7 out of 10 would like their political elite to form a Government of some kind on the back of last week’s results, and 6 out of 10 do not think Syriza's plans are realistic. Despite all that polls are indicating Syriza would come first in a new election, but not by enough for a plausible anti-austerity coalition to be formed. Anyone want to guess what's going to happen next?! Surely with the extra 50 seats for winning there would be a decent shot of Syriza being able to form some sort of anti-austerity coalition. Only if they can subvert PASOK into it, the Commies won't play ball with anyone unless they are in charge and it's their ball being played with. |
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Post by Tangent on May 13, 2012 21:16:40 GMT
The only feasible eventual coalition in the circumstances of a new election seems to be a Syriza/PASOK/KKE combination, and even that cannot be counted upon to last the year.
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Post by iainbhx on May 13, 2012 21:18:57 GMT
The only feasible eventual coalition in the circumstances of a new election seems to be a Syriza/PASOK/KKE combination, and even that cannot be counted upon to last the year. KKE won't play to be honest, they've already said so. |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 13, 2012 23:03:25 GMT
The only feasible eventual coalition in the circumstances of a new election seems to be a Syriza/PASOK/KKE combination, and even that cannot be counted upon to last the year. Syriza/Pasok/Democratic Left is more feasible. Obviously if the numbers don't add up then this means nought. |
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Post by Andrew_S on May 13, 2012 23:58:10 GMT
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Post by Richard Allen on May 14, 2012 10:08:29 GMT
Democratic Left leader Fotis Kouvelis has reiterated that they will not join a government unless Syriza are involved. However he will attend final talks with ND and Pasok this evening (Syriza are refusing to attend).
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Post by toryjim on May 14, 2012 12:09:46 GMT
I think we are heading for fresh elections and an incredibly messy situation.
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Post by iainbhx on May 14, 2012 12:42:19 GMT
I think we are heading for fresh elections and an incredibly messy situation. I am not convinced that a second election will change things enough to allow this bunch of blowhards to form a coalition. The Greeks do not want austerity and they do not want to leave the Euro. This is not a position that will hold up for very long as being coherent (not that the alternative is going to be any better). Last nights results in NRW will have snapped the clasp shut on Mutti's purse-strings. |
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Post by Martin Whelton on May 14, 2012 13:23:22 GMT
When the chips are down a deal will be struck. New Democracy and PASOK were only two seat short of a majority and DL would probably u turn at the last momnet, even if they don't there is probably a few independents that can be brought on board. There is too much to lose if there was another election and the potential of Syriza topped the poll, though the 50 seat bonus for topping the poll is a pretty awful system.
I think the political elite will pull back from the brink - though it is a country in complete chaos and that will default no matter what agreement is reached,
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 14, 2012 14:08:20 GMT
Being cynical for a moment, is actually to the advantage of ND and PASOK to forge a last-minute deal? Greece is heading for a few incredibly messy years, default is more likely than not and there's a decent chance that the government will not be able to meet its wage bill. A PASOK/ND-led coalition would not be able to evade the blame for that and it might destroy both of them for a generation, if not forever.
Whereas is they have another election and SYRIZA gets in, things go badly in much the same way, perhaps worse due to a failure to prepare for the inevitable, but ND get to criticise from the sidelines and PASOK get to pretend to be the internal voice of reason. PASOK and ND can then hope to be in a position to take power when Greece hits the bottom and take the credit, removing the existential threats on their flanks.
As for SYRIZA, they have options either way. If they're shut out, they get to protest about the coalition going against the will of voters and ride a wave of anger. If they can hold on to that they can take power after the hardest work has been done.
On the other hand, if there's a new election they'll be the largest party and should be able to secure a measure of acquiescence from PASOK, plus the ready support of DL. Greece will still go to hell in a handcart but they might have a chance with a "once more to the breach and blame everybody else" stance, provided they don't go too long without being able to pay wages. Then they run as the idealists who saved the country when the pragmatists would have left it to burn.
But no party benefits from a coalition now. It just means they're too weak to rule alone and they're going to get killed in the polls.
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Post by Richard Allen on May 14, 2012 14:11:23 GMT
Two very good posts in a row. Martin Whelton makes a good case for a last minute deal but my hunch is that EAL's cynicism is well placed.
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Post by coolhandluke on May 14, 2012 18:30:57 GMT
New poll by Rass SA for Eleftheros Typos newspaper suggests 54 percent (of 1,002 Greeks surveyed) want the country to stick to its current economic financial aid plan and 81.4 percent said they want it to remain in the euro area. If fresh elections are called could we see voter turnout significantly improve given the deadlock on the formation of a government and the crisis unfolding? Voter turnout has been falling: 2012 - 65.10% 2009 - 70.92% 2007 - 74.14% 2004 - 76.6% Rass Poll conducted on May 10-11 also puts voter intention at: Syriza 20.5% New Democracy 19.4% Pasok 11.8% Independent Greeks 7.8% Democratic Left 6.2% Communist Party 4.8% Golden Dawn 3.8% Democratic Alliance 2.4% Recreate Greece 2.3% Popular Orthodox Rally (Laos) 2% Ecogreens 1.8% Others 3.7% Spoiled/blank 2.2% Undecided 11.3% www.e-typos.com/Post.aspx?id=13812This poll doesn't exclude undecided voters so poll's figures are not comparable with actual election results. But it does look like SYRIZA's support may be slipping back slightly (switching to the Democratic Left party?) compared to the recent Marc poll (post election) for Alpha TV (23.8/27.7 percent)? The Rass poll found 37.1 percent were critical of Tsipras (Syriza) for adopting the worst position of any politician in the talks on the formation of a government.. |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 15, 2012 13:24:21 GMT
Pasok's leader has just said that all talks have failed and that there will be fresh elections.
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Post by toryjim on May 15, 2012 13:29:23 GMT
Pasok's leader has just said that all talks have failed and that there will be fresh elections. Oh deary deary me! |
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