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Post by Merseymike on Jan 31, 2018 15:38:35 GMT
Part of Powell's constituency is now in the S Staffs district I think but pretty sure Codsall was never included. I seem to recall that oddly Tettenhall was not a part of his constituency, but perhaps Pete David or another expert could confirm or deny that. That's right, none of those areas were ever represented by him. But many of the families that live in them now were... Yes. Made their money, then white flight out to Codsall |
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 31, 2018 15:41:17 GMT
Worth perhaps commenting on the Con/Ind battle on Eden Council (I was tempted to write in the Garden of Eden as its quite a tale of loss of innocence!): There has been a steady drift from Indy majority to Conservative majority. In 2003 there were 28 Indies, 5 Tories and 4 LibDems. Four years later it was 19/14/5.By 2011 the Conservatives were the largest party, with 16 to 13 Indies and 9 LibDems. By 2015 the Conservatives had control with 21 to 10 Independents and 7 LDs. Back in 2003 the only outright Tory ward was Hartside (their other 4 members had a share of 2-member wards). It would be remarkable if the Indies could start to row back from here. Difficult to know what the intervention of a Green could do to that dynamic? Paradise Regained? However, I would very much imagine that the bulk of the supposed Independents were really Conservatives. There was a tradition in many rural areas not to stand under a party name, though everyone knew who was who. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Jan 31, 2018 18:11:03 GMT
That's right, none of those areas were ever represented by him. But many of the families that live in them now were... Yes. Made their money, then white flight out to Codsall More like Perton or Wombourne. |
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Post by yellowperil on Jan 31, 2018 20:30:32 GMT
Worth perhaps commenting on the Con/Ind battle on Eden Council (I was tempted to write in the Garden of Eden as its quite a tale of loss of innocence!): There has been a steady drift from Indy majority to Conservative majority. In 2003 there were 28 Indies, 5 Tories and 4 LibDems. Four years later it was 19/14/5.By 2011 the Conservatives were the largest party, with 16 to 13 Indies and 9 LibDems. By 2015 the Conservatives had control with 21 to 10 Independents and 7 LDs. Back in 2003 the only outright Tory ward was Hartside (their other 4 members had a share of 2-member wards). It would be remarkable if the Indies could start to row back from here. Difficult to know what the intervention of a Green could do to that dynamic? Paradise Regained? However, I would very much imagine that the bulk of the supposed Independents were really Conservatives. There was a tradition in many rural areas not to stand under a party name, though everyone knew who was who. Yes, I appreciate that originally the Independents were probably Condependents, but by the time the Tories were on the rise and the Independents were the main challengers I' m less sure that that was true any more. Even if they were Conservative in outlook they were by definition not party people and prepared to stand against them. |
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Post by andrewp on Feb 7, 2018 17:39:29 GMT
Interesting that the Conservatives have the same candidate for the two Codsall elections. Likely to be a ‘dual hatter’ straight away
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 22:23:32 GMT
Question: According to Wikipedia (yes, I know, but I can't find an answer anywhere else), Weymouth & Portland is a Lab/Con coalition; surely that can't be right?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 7, 2018 22:35:01 GMT
Question: According to Wikipedia (yes, I know, but I can't find an answer anywhere else), Weymouth & Portland is a Lab/Con coalition; surely that can't be right? Weymouth and Portland has an all-party administration (I think it's had one since the 1970s). The portfolio holders are currently made up of five Conservatives (including the council leader), three Labour, two Liberal Democrats, and one UK Independence Party. |
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Post by londonseal80 on Feb 7, 2018 22:42:59 GMT
Question: According to Wikipedia (yes, I know, but I can't find an answer anywhere else), Weymouth & Portland is a Lab/Con coalition; surely that can't be right? Weymouth and Portland has an all-party administration (I think it's had one since the 1970s). The portfolio holders are currently made up of five Conservatives (including the council leader), three Labour, two Liberal Democrats, and one UK Independence Party. Am I right that it has been NOC since 1976? I know it was Labour from 1973 to 1976 |
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 7, 2018 22:58:01 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 7, 2018 22:59:06 GMT
Weymouth and Portland has an all-party administration (I think it's had one since the 1970s). The portfolio holders are currently made up of five Conservatives (including the council leader), three Labour, two Liberal Democrats, and one UK Independence Party. Am I right that it has been NOC since 1976? I know it was Labour from 1973 to 1976 The Conservatives had a majority from 1976 to 1980, and got to half of all the seats in 2010. But sometimes in these sort of councils, they still keep the all-party administration. |
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Post by Foggy on Feb 8, 2018 0:51:44 GMT
Weymouth and Portland has an all-party administration (I think it's had one since the 1970s). The portfolio holders are currently made up of five Conservatives (including the council leader), three Labour, two Liberal Democrats, and one UK Independence Party. But? What?...Huh? Who do they blame when things go to pot? Not good for democracy imo. You've clearly never lived in an Austrian Bundesland where Proporz rules the roost. Closer to home, the 'consociational' power-sharing arrangment in Northern Ireland (when it's actually up and functioning) has the same problem of unclear lines of accountability. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 8:45:23 GMT
I agree the lack of change isn't good but working together is. In NI the unionist/nationalist coalition has gone from UUP/SDLP to DUP/SF. Here though has it always been Con/Lab/LDEM?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 8, 2018 9:04:27 GMT
And Independents and UKIP at times. Don't know if Green Party have refused or just not had a big enough group when the portfolios were handed out. It's genuinely all party.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 8, 2018 9:31:15 GMT
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 8, 2018 11:10:33 GMT
Weymouth and Portland has an all-party administration (I think it's had one since the 1970s). The portfolio holders are currently made up of five Conservatives (including the council leader), three Labour, two Liberal Democrats, and one UK Independence Party. But? What?...Huh? Who do they blame when things go to pot? Not good for democracy imo. It ends up with the officers being able to walk over the elected politicians and very little strategy. Sefton was absolutely paralysed when it ran in this way. |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 8, 2018 11:13:13 GMT
Did he report this to the police? Its not as if he wouldn't have known who was doing the spitting. It worries me when these sort of accusations are made but no action appears to have been taken. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Feb 8, 2018 11:13:25 GMT
But? What?...Huh? Who do they blame when things go to pot? Not good for democracy imo. It ends up with the officers being able to walk over the elected politicians and very little strategy. Sefton was absolutely paralysed when it ran in this way. Ditto Stoke, at one point we had about seven Parties/Groups just uniting to prevent the BNP gaining any kind of power, but effectively all policy originated in the CEO’s office. |
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 8, 2018 11:17:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 11:20:48 GMT
As has been mentioned, Weymouth and Portland has been consistently NOC since 1980 (longer than any other council AFAIK), and is run on an all-party cabinet basis. Number of councillors for a party still matters - as it changes how the cabinet positions are distributed among the parties, it in theory changes collective decisions made by the council, it helps party's positions when there is a dispute on a policy, and it means that there are more party representatives who are able to make a difference for their electorate.
It's worth noting that it is currently 13-12 to the Conservatives against the second largest group, Labour. If Labour take these 2 seats (which I think is the most likely outcome, but far from certain), it will put them as largest group, a position they last held in 2015.
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