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Post by kvasir on Apr 7, 2012 23:07:20 GMT
Have dear chap. Or have.. yeghes da! I'm sorry it appears I can't write English, or understand Cornish for that matter...  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 23:28:57 GMT
Have dear chap. Or have.. yeghes da! I'm sorry it appears I can't write English, or understand Cornish for that matter... Tired after that mighty breakdown of Leeds local politics which deserves an exalt? I have no idea what the subs are for the "minor parties" but there is a general anti politics mood (again)in the air. This was picked up by the Economist this week. And quite frankly, who can blame the great British public?  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 7, 2012 23:32:40 GMT
.. there is a general anti politics mood (again)in the air. This was picked up by the Economist this week. And quite frankly, who can blame the great British public? Things like one of the three main parties going into an election saying it thought public spending shouldn't be slashed, then announcing immediately after the election that it actually thought it should and going into government and doing just that, hardly encourage a great reverence for politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2012 23:39:47 GMT
Or one of the other major political parties not being willing (perfectly able to, natch) to state what they would cut in the face of an enormous deficit? Or perhaps turning up and pretending to be "men of the working class" by staging a crass photoshoot in Greggs buying hot sausage rolls..or a myriad of other causes.
Are the Labour party going to reverse the increase in fees in terms of University tuition if elected in 2015? No. Thought not.
There is a general plague upon all your houses at the moment. Millipede Junior is not going to win the next election for the Labour party. If the Tories should ditch the men of the metropolitan elite, perhaps Her Majesty's opposition should do the same.
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Post by kvasir on Apr 7, 2012 23:44:06 GMT
I'm sorry it appears I can't write English, or understand Cornish for that matter... Tired after that mighty breakdown of Leeds local politics which deserves an exalt? I have no idea what the subs are for the "minor parties" but there is a general anti politics mood (again)in the air. This was picked up by the Economist this week. And quite frankly, who can blame the great British public? Thank you very much, still got 31 wards left to cover though and I really hope some of the Loiners from the Old Board return. I think it is fair to say there are reasons to be annoyed at all three parties. The Tories have in DC the least (for want of a better word) negative leader, so a lot of the don't knows or protest voters might lean towards him as a lesser of two evils come a general. Labour probably benefit more in the non-General but EM can in my view improve his image and Labour can firm up a lot of that support between 35%-43%. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 7, 2012 23:51:05 GMT
Or one of the other major political parties not being willing (perfectly able to, natch) to state what they would cut in the face of an enormous deficit? No party entirely spelled out what would be cut before the 2010 election. Do you have any proof that anyone present at the photoshoot did not go to Greggs ordinarily? No, thought not. You're just making it up. No party is going to make absolute spending commitments three years before an election so that's a silly question at the end of an utterly silly post. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2012 0:18:02 GMT
1) Darling did detail the cuts required which seem to have been forgotten now. But Mr. Burnham has already by sounding off that he will reinstate PCT's and SHA's if re-elected. So a spending commitment three years out.
2) Really. So when was the last time that Millipede Junior, Balls and Reeves visited Greggs and purchased 8 sausage rolls? If they wanted to make a point about pasties then why not tootle on down to the West Cornwall Pasty shop? So, yes a VERY staged photoshoot. Not terribly effective either.
3) Well, you are implying that the Liberal Democrats were being hypocritical, so I await with baited breath after all the howling for the Labour Party to show that they are not being hypocritical by axing the tuition fee increase..
"so that's a silly question at the end of an utterly silly post". Well, after reading that. I can quite agree. You did write an awfully silly post.
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 8, 2012 0:34:21 GMT
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Post by marksenior on Apr 8, 2012 9:43:47 GMT
No, they aren't - it is just that he commisions his own polls from them. The head of Populus is Andrew Cooper - a former CCO employee who was identified as a member of the "modernising" faction in the Hague/IDS years. I don't think Andrew Cooper is head of Populus now although he certainly founded the company . |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 8, 2012 11:23:58 GMT
Survation's national surveys come across as distinctly fishy - in contrast to their generally good by-election efforts (surprised they didn't have a stab at Bradford, and if it might have affected the result if they had??)
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 8, 2012 11:55:16 GMT
Not just that, but 15% for the other "others". I would put the chances of that in a GE at less than 1%.......
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 8, 2012 14:16:43 GMT
Are the Labour party going to reverse the increase in fees in terms of University tuition if elected in 2015? No. Thought not. EM has talked about reducing the cap to £6,000, which is a partial reversal, with the potential to do more if finances allow. Given that that's one of the few new pieces of policy we've trailed, you'd think you might remember that. So were you just indulging in a bit of partisan fantasy? Yes. Thought so. |
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 8, 2012 14:25:13 GMT
That does not account for 15% others non-UKIP.
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Post by marksenior on Apr 8, 2012 15:52:55 GMT
Are the Labour party going to reverse the increase in fees in terms of University tuition if elected in 2015? No. Thought not. EM has talked about reducing the cap to £6,000, which is a partial reversal, with the potential to do more if finances allow. Given that that's one of the few new pieces of policy we've trailed, you'd think you might remember that. So were you just indulging in a bit of partisan fantasy? Yes. Thought so. Some of us remember previous Labour pledges not to introduce fees in the first place and then a further pledge not to increase them both broken after they won an election . All Labour policies cannot be believed . |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 8, 2012 16:02:14 GMT
Mark, I could be exactly as snide on the subject of cuts. But lets stick to discussing polls, shall we?
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Post by anthony on Apr 8, 2012 16:09:56 GMT
EM has talked about reducing the cap to £6,000, which is a partial reversal, with the potential to do more if finances allow. Sorry Eastanglianlefty, you are right that we should stick to polls, but I can't help but point out that even at the time EM explained that this wasn't Labour policy. Furthermore, it is spin and positioning over substance, as the only people who would be benefit from this "cut" would be grads earning over about £60K. If EM really wanted to help less well off grads, he'd increase the repayment threshold. |
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Post by kvasir on Apr 8, 2012 16:13:55 GMT
EM has talked about reducing the cap to £6,000, which is a partial reversal, with the potential to do more if finances allow. Sorry Eastanglianlefty, you are right that we should stick to polls, but I can't help but point out that even at the time EM explained that this wasn't Labour policy. Furthermore, it is spin and positioning over substance, as the only people who would be benefit from this "cut" would be grads earning over about £60K. If EM really wanted to help less well off grads, he'd increase the repayment threshold. Increase the repayment threshold and the universities which are borrowing on the expected income from the tuition fee payback might not even even see it. At that stage when the universities are quite literally going broke we'll step in and bail them out. This whole system is setting up a massive crash in 30 or so years and which-ever party is in power is going to get the blame. Your solution makes it worse. |
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Post by anthony on Apr 8, 2012 16:26:02 GMT
Your solution makes it worse. No worse than reducing the maximum fee - both require proper phased implementation. |
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Post by kvasir on Apr 8, 2012 16:34:05 GMT
Your solution makes it worse. No worse than reducing the maximum fee - both require proper phased implementation. The difference is subtle but important. If we increase the threshold people pay it back then we increase the number of people who have taken out a massive loan and fail to actually pay it all back. Your own party admits people aren't going to pay more of it back but the university is borrowing on the money given out. Reducing the maximum tuition fees the university pays out will reduce how much the university expects to get out as well as how much the person will pay back. In Labour's model both sides are playing the same game whereas increasing the threshold means the university and the graduates are talking a different language. The best solution in my view is to scrap the whole damn system and pay for education from general taxation through an increase in income tax, but that's about as popular as a brick through the window. That's why the Labour Government actually introduced the fees, they needed revenue for universities for research and development but couldn't raise taxes. So hit the students who don't vote and can't vote in the years to come. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 8, 2012 18:32:38 GMT
The key thing to remember is that a market-based system is not appropriate.
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