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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2017 18:19:03 GMT
Labour will be hoping to gain the seats in Battersea and High Peak given the GE results. There aren't any seats in Battersea Putney then. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Nov 6, 2017 18:23:55 GMT
As it's my original district, I'd venture that Labour will not win Limestone Peak. You might think it's a decent possibility if you take a Google street view tour round, say, Peak Dale and Dove Holes. But in the case of limestone quarrying (look at the satellite view while you're at it - you'll see why the Peak District National Park boundaries are drawn as they are!), the mineral extraction industry does not seem to have anything like the same effect as, historically, with coal. In High Peak, the Labour vote is very much concentrated in the urban areas. Yes. You'd know more than me. Isn't it the case that a fair bit of the Labour voting area of High Peak was once in Cheshire - in Stalybridge & Hyde constituency? And those towns at the northern edge of the High Peak seat are closer to Manchester. It definitely behaved more like a Greater Manchester seat than a Derbyshire seat in the GE. I don't think that many of the Labour voting areas were ever in Cheshire - not sure about the site of the Gamesley overspill estate, or Hadfield. The Labour parts of Glossop have always been in Derbyshire, ditto New Mills and of course Buxton's eastern wards. Buxton Central has changed from solidly Conservative to almost always Labour in my time. There are some Labour votes in Whaley Bridge and Chapel-en-le Frith. All the main towns have always been Derbyshire as far as I know. But you are absolutely right about Manchester. Even in Buxton, at the southern end of the constituency (but still northern half of the Peak District, which extends through Bakewell to Ashbourne in West Derbyshire / Derbyshire Dales) we consider ourselves northerners. For example, the less enlightened think they are Manchester United 'supporters', (probably some Manchester City nowadays) with a sprinkling of Sheffield Wednesday and Stockport - not Derby County, which is a long way away and in the Midlands. The surviving train line, of course, goes from Buxton to Manchester through Dove Holes and other salubrious gentlemen's resorts. |
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 6, 2017 18:24:24 GMT
Labour will be hoping to gain the seats in Battersea and High Peak given the GE results. There aren't any seats in Battersea That would explain why the candidates are standing.  |
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Post by andrewteale on Nov 6, 2017 18:32:31 GMT
As it's my original district, I'd venture that Labour will not win Limestone Peak. You might think it's a decent possibility if you take a Google street view tour round, say, Peak Dale and Dove Holes. But in the case of limestone quarrying (look at the satellite view while you're at it - you'll see why the Peak District National Park boundaries are drawn as they are!), the mineral extraction industry does not seem to have anything like the same effect as, historically, with coal. In High Peak, the Labour vote is very much concentrated in the urban areas. Yes. You'd know more than me. Isn't it the case that a fair bit of the Labour voting area of High Peak was once in Cheshire - in Stalybridge & Hyde constituency? And those towns at the northern edge of the High Peak seat are closer to Manchester. It definitely behaved more like a Greater Manchester seat than a Derbyshire seat in the GE. The only part of High Peak borough which was ever in Cheshire was the parish of Tintwistle (the old Etherow rural district). That parish is slightly smaller than the present Tintwistle ward which expands over the boundary to include part of Hadfield. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 6, 2017 18:39:38 GMT
He was born in the DDR, so it was either that or Erich. Actually in the GDR lots of people found that one of the few ways they could stage a micro-rebellion against the SED administration was by giving their children modern, English-sounding names... such as Peggy and Roy. Something had to explain the chap I met in Jena called Kevin. |
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Post by Foggy on Nov 7, 2017 1:10:34 GMT
Actually in the GDR lots of people found that one of the few ways they could stage a micro-rebellion against the SED administration was by giving their children modern, English-sounding names... such as Peggy and Roy. Something had to explain the chap I met in Jena called Kevin. That name was also quite popular in the former West, apparently after a certain Mr Keegan joined Hamburger SV. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 7, 2017 2:18:35 GMT
Yes. You'd know more than me. Isn't it the case that a fair bit of the Labour voting area of High Peak was once in Cheshire - in Stalybridge & Hyde constituency? And those towns at the northern edge of the High Peak seat are closer to Manchester. It definitely behaved more like a Greater Manchester seat than a Derbyshire seat in the GE. The only part of High Peak borough which was ever in Cheshire was the parish of Tintwistle (the old Etherow rural district). That parish is slightly smaller than the present Tintwistle ward which expands over the boundary to include part of Hadfield. Whaley Bridge west of the Goyt was in Cheshire as well until 1936 (four years before my dad was born there). |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 9:24:24 GMT
A Labour gain in Thamesfield would be disastrous for the Conservatives. Which will make it even better when it happens. If it happens it'll be through differential turnout. Tories won this 2:1 ish in 2017... 3:1 ish in 2015 Unfortunately Putney has a history of differential turnouts at local elections. The last Thamesfield election being a prime example. I used to be ward chair of Thamesfield (live in Hoi Polloi East Putney though) so for a change I know what I'm talking about. It's very very wealthy. Think more Chelsea and Fulham wealthy than Wandsworth wealthy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 9:50:49 GMT
Would not bode well for next year's elections for the Conservatives.
If they can lose Thamesfield, then Westminster may be at risk next May.
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Nov 7, 2017 11:17:46 GMT
The demise of Wandsworth Conservatives is being greatly exaggerated here. We'll hold Thamesfield with a reduced but comfortable majority.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 7, 2017 11:35:41 GMT
The demise of Wandsworth Conservatives is being greatly exaggerated here. We'll hold Thamesfield with a reduced but comfortable majority. And on that at least, you are very likely correct...... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 11:35:58 GMT
If it happens it'll be through differential turnout. Tories won this 2:1 ish in 2017... 3:1 ish in 2015 Unfortunately Putney has a history of differential turnouts at local elections. The last Thamesfield election being a prime example. I used to be ward chair of Thamesfield (live in Hoi Polloi East Putney though) so for a change I know what I'm talking about. It's very very wealthy. Think more Chelsea and Fulham wealthy than Wandsworth wealthy. I mean it does tick me off when people talk completely rubbish about places in West Yorkshire so do tell me if I am. I’m just going on the General Election swing in London combined with the annoyance most (even Tory supporters) feel towards the current government. You aren't speaking rubbish, but there's only so much headway an explicitly socialist party can make with hedge fund managers, investment bankers and those with large inherited wealth. There is something of Turkeys voting for Christmas about that scenario. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 7, 2017 11:44:51 GMT
At the end of the day, the results in the general election were terrible in Wandsworth, but the Conservatives still held Putney and Thamesfield is the safest ward in that constituency. The result in the 2011 byelection alluded to by Joe would suggest more cause for concern actually but even then it wasn't really close
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 12:12:45 GMT
At the end of the day, the results in the general election were terrible in Wandsworth, but the Conservatives still held Putney and Thamesfield is the safest ward in that constituency. The result in the 2011 byelection alluded to by Joe would suggest more cause for concern actually but even then it wasn't really close The by election in Southfields was also very poor. There is some concern about this from our side. Interestingly Labour aren't throwing much at it. They are still organising weekly campaigns in other wards (Sf and Wh mostly). If I were them I'd be going for the jugular. |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 7, 2017 18:24:23 GMT
.....The surviving train line, of course, goes from Buxton to Manchester through Dove Holes and other salubrious gentlemen's resorts. Dove Holes always reminds me of the Dorothy Parker line that "When I went there, there was no 'there' there." You wouldn't notice it at all except for the fact that absolutely every time you pass through in either direction (there only being two directions in Dove Holes) you have to sit in a queue at the traffic lights. Even the name is redolent of a slight sense of despair. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 7, 2017 18:26:44 GMT
.....The surviving train line, of course, goes from Buxton to Manchester through Dove Holes and other salubrious gentlemen's resorts. Dove Holes always reminds me of the Dorothy Parker line that "When I went there, there was no 'there' there." You wouldn't notice it at all except for the fact that absolutely every time you pass through in either direction (there only being two directions in Dove Holes) you have to sit in a queue at the traffic lights. Even the name is redolent of a slight sense of despair. It has a bus garage. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 8, 2017 19:29:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 19:12:49 GMT
The change in how High Peak voted from May to June is quite something.
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 9, 2017 19:52:42 GMT
A fairly politically savvy friend informs me that Labour have over a hundred people knocking up in Thamesfield.
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Nov 9, 2017 21:05:27 GMT
A fairly politically savvy friend informs me that Labour have over a hundred people knocking up in Thamesfield. Good. Then it'll be an even greater disappointment when they fail to take |
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