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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 17, 2018 15:26:29 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 17, 2018 18:17:48 GMT
In any case, it's not like Kosovo has ever been purely Albanian Medieval documents could indicate, that western Kosovo has always been "settled" (or rather: used) by pastoral Albanians. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 17, 2018 18:21:01 GMT
What is another hint, that Lliga/CiU/CDC/whatever won't hand over the PM-ship to ERC. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 17, 2018 22:05:07 GMT
"Tabarnia" isn't a real option discussed by the public, only an attempt by unionists to calm down secessionists. Even GL leaving the UK and remaining in the EU would be more realistic, i'd assume.
The AranValley would be already north of the Pyrenees, Occitan is spoken there, isn't it? So, perhaps to France? Or another Andorra?
Another problem is the catalan stripe along the eastern border of Aragon.
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Post by neilm on Jan 19, 2018 12:27:46 GMT
The Aran Valley is tiny, about 10,000 people. Currently it's a sort of souped up comarca along Catalan lines but it isn't viable as an autonomous community. Merger with Aragon is the only viable possibility. The other big issue is the Viella tunnel- it's the only way out by road in winter and it's connected to Catalonia.
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Post by neilm on Jan 19, 2018 12:33:18 GMT
I wonder what the possibility is of Puigdemont being 'smuggled in' somewhere along the Catalan coastline, being taken to Barcelona and being sworn in before Madrid realises what's happening?
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Post by Foggy on Jan 19, 2018 19:36:27 GMT
Puigdemont has said today that it'd easier to govern from Brussels than from prison. JxCat and the ERC have some sort of agreement to invest him, but they don't have a majority without the votes of the CUP and there's the obvious complication that any President has to turn up physically in order to be sworn in.
Any attempt to invest Puigdemont in absentia will lead to a prolongation of central control from Madrid under Article 155, which will mean that the stated purpose of the election – to 'recover normality' – will not have been realised.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Jan 19, 2018 20:55:33 GMT
The Aran Valley is tiny, about 10,000 people. Currently it's a sort of souped up comarca along Catalan lines but it isn't viable as an autonomous community. Merger with Aragon is the only viable possibility. The other big issue is the Viella tunnel- it's the only way out by road in winter and it's connected to Catalonia. Aragon - or France, which would fit better, taking into account their dialect. On the other hand France is probably not so interested, fearing claims from Basques (NorthNavarre) and Catalans (Roussillon). |
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Post by WJ on Jan 19, 2018 22:39:39 GMT
Tabarnia is entirely satirical. It's pure purpose is to get independentists to use Unionist arguments.
In other news, Puigdemont is planning to leave Belgium to attend a conference in Denmark. He's been invited by the University of Copenhagen apparently.
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Post by neilm on Jan 19, 2018 22:51:13 GMT
He's been about a fair bit. It is quite amusing that the Spaniards can't keep track of him in the EU and don't want to issue an EWA.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 19, 2018 23:20:06 GMT
Tabarnia is entirely satirical. It's pure purpose is to get independentists to use Unionist arguments. In other news, Puigdemont is planning to leave Belgium to attend a conference in Denmark. He's been invited by the University of Copenhagen apparently. Sure, but it is still interesting that as a purely satirical idea it not only shows up some of the flaws in the separatist argument but perhaps would work better than an independent Catalunya in which only a bare majority support the existence of the state at all. |
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Post by Foggy on Jan 21, 2018 19:06:46 GMT
He's been about a fair bit. It is quite amusing that the Spaniards can't keep track of him in the EU and don't want to issue an EWA. It rumbles on: the Spanish government have today said they will in fact ask prosecutors to issue a European Arrest Warrant after all, if Puigdemont tries to travel to Copenhagen from Belgium this week. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 21, 2018 23:30:41 GMT
He's been about a fair bit. It is quite amusing that the Spaniards can't keep track of him in the EU and don't want to issue an EWA. It rumbles on: the Spanish government have today said they will in fact ask prosecutors to issue a European Arrest Warrant after all, if Puigdemont tries to travel to Copenhagen from Belgium this week. That would be the most provocative, ludicrous thing they could do. Even Rajoy isn't daft enough to consider it seriously. Which means he'll do it. |
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Post by Khunanup on Jan 22, 2018 13:04:49 GMT
It rumbles on: the Spanish government have today said they will in fact ask prosecutors to issue a European Arrest Warrant after all, if Puigdemont tries to travel to Copenhagen from Belgium this week. That would be the most provocative, ludicrous thing they could do. Even Rajoy isn't daft enough to consider it seriously. Which means he'll do it. Oh look... www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42772758 |
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Post by neilm on Jan 23, 2018 9:43:04 GMT
El Pais is reporting that Puigdemont won't be nominated and, very specifically, won't be entering Catalonia in the boot of a car. He's apparently going to be on Antena 3 later today 'from the door of the Danish parliament'- that's my reading but I could have mis-translated.
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Post by WJ on Jan 23, 2018 22:34:38 GMT
The various arms of the Spanish state have played a blinder this round. The attorney general asked a (supreme court?) judge for the arrest warrant. The judge refused saying that being arrested was exactly what he wanted and that the Catalan parliament could argue that the day they wanted to vote for Puigdemont, they weren't able, because he was in prison. As a result, the new Catalan speaker cancelled the vote and they have had to go back to the drawing board. The Spanish government looks good to the rest of Spain and Catalan unionists because they appear to be pursuing Puigdemont, while also showing that the judiciary, not the government, are the ones issuing arrest warrants (a fact that the separatists deliberately misconstrue in their rhetoric).
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Post by Foggy on Jan 24, 2018 18:33:59 GMT
The new Speaker of the Parliament has today held a meeting with Carles Puidgemont, in which the prospective President did not rule out turning up to a vote to swear him in. There is no word on how he would smuggle himself back into Spain for that to happen.
The CUP have demanded that the ERC and JxCat promise to take steps to make their imaginary republic "materialise" in order to secure their support for the investiture of any prospective joint candidate (presumably Puigdemont) of the separatist parties.
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Post by neilm on Jan 24, 2018 20:09:17 GMT
It would be hard: the CNI is almost certainly watching him and presumably so is the VSSE if he's still in Belgium. Boat is the obvious solution- the Spanish coastline is really badly monitored, hence all the stuff that gets smuggled in but presumably that would be spotted if it was into Catalonia so my bet is the Basque Country and a series of cars or vans down to Barcelona. Private plane is too obvious.
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Post by Foggy on Jan 24, 2018 20:27:43 GMT
It would be hard: the CNI is almost certainly watching him and presumably so is the VSSE if he's still in Belgium. Boat is the obvious solution- the Spanish coastline is really badly monitored, hence all the stuff that gets smuggled in but presumably that would be spotted if it was into Catalonia so my bet is the Basque Country and a series of cars or vans down to Barcelona. Private plane is too obvious. Sheesh, it's all beginning to sound like the plot of an action thriller! The first attempt at an investiture has been scheduled for next Tuesday. If no candidate is successful, that will set the clock ticking on the race to swear someone (anyone?) in as President before we end up with yet another round of elections to try to solve the impasse. |
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Post by jimboo2017 on Jan 31, 2018 12:43:15 GMT
www.thespainreport.com//articles/1345-180131123700-in-photographed-signal-messages-puigdemont-admits-catalan-republic-is-overIMAGE: Some of the Signal messages between Puigdemont and Comín broadcast by Telecinco on Wednesday. In a series of four mobile phone messages sent to the former regional health minister Toni Comín last night in Belgium, Carles Puigdemont admits the Catalan Republic is over and that the Spanish government's plan is working. "We are seeing the last days of republican Catalonia", he wrote, adding to Mr. Comín that "I suppose you understand that this is over. Our side has sacrificed us; me, at least". Footage of the messages, sent via the Signal messaging application, were captured by a Telecinco TV cameraman and broadcast on a morning news and chat programme on Wednesday. Mr. Puigdemont posted a message on Twitter which confirmed the veracity of the messages: "I am human and there are moments when I have my doubts". He also said that "as a journalist" he believed there were "limits" to what could be published and how the information could be obtained. El Diario reported Mr. Comín was preparing to take legal action against Telecinco after they broadcast the messages, citing sources close to the politician.
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