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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 23:19:05 GMT
I don't know whether it's the brackets or the fact it contains more than Richmondshire or the fact there's Richmond Park or the fact Richmond is small and not a good indicator but I would agree that it is the worst constituency name by a mile. I was joking really... I find it irritating but there are worse offenders. The prize has to be between Delyn and Sefton Central, surely Doesn't describe the constituency very well but I don't really like changing the names of constituencies that have existed for centuries. I think some of the Scottish ones are worse than the likes of "Sefton Central" - "Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey"; and "East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahgow" are both abominable. |
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Post by Foggy on May 9, 2018 0:07:36 GMT
But what would you call Sutton Coldfield?  Warwickshire North West  |
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Post by johnloony on May 9, 2018 1:35:45 GMT
Even if the name would be inaccurate, I think I prefer Langbaurgh, and most of the time that's what I tend to call it in my head. But how do you pronounce it?! Langbaurgh is pronounced Langbar. |
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Post by jamie on May 9, 2018 7:22:11 GMT
Doesn't describe the constituency very well but I don't really like changing the names of constituencies that have existed for centuries. I think some of the Scottish ones are worse than the likes of "Sefton Central" - "Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey"; and "East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahgow" are both abominable. The latter is most definitely the most abominable. While I'm still not sure what/where Strathaven and Lesmahgow (  ) are, I can see some justification in including multiple areas from a geographically very large seat like Inverness etc is. 'East Kilbride' is a good name while for the other I'd use 'Inverness and Badenoch' or 'Inverness, Nairn and Badenoch'. Still a bit random to non-residents, but it does describe the constituency and removes the unnecessary Strathspey which is literally already part of the same ward as Badenoch. |
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Post by YL on May 9, 2018 7:46:04 GMT
Doesn't describe the constituency very well but I don't really like changing the names of constituencies that have existed for centuries. I think some of the Scottish ones are worse than the likes of "Sefton Central" - "Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey"; and "East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahgow" are both abominable. The latter is most definitely the most abominable. While I'm still not sure what/where Strathaven and Lesmahgow ( ) are, I can see some justification in including multiple areas from a geographically very large seat like Inverness etc is. 'East Kilbride' is a good name while for the other I'd use 'Inverness and Badenoch' or 'Inverness, Nairn and Badenoch'. Still a bit random to non-residents, but it does describe the constituency and removes the unnecessary Strathspey which is literally already part of the same ward as Badenoch. It's Lesmahagow, pronounced "Lez-ma-HAY-go" I believe (and Strathaven is "STRAVE-en"), and is just off the M74, with a population of 3,685 according to Wikipedia. Yes, that's a bit obscure for a constituency name, but at least it exists, unlike "Delyn", which definitely beats those somewhat cumbersome Scottish ones for "worst name" IMO. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 9, 2018 7:57:40 GMT
Even if the name would be inaccurate, I think I prefer Langbaurgh, and most of the time that's what I tend to call it in my head. But how do you pronounce it?! Lan-Barf |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 7:59:12 GMT
I don't know whether it's the brackets or the fact it contains more than Richmondshire or the fact there's Richmond Park or the fact Richmond is small and not a good indicator but I would agree that it is the worst constituency name by a mile. I was joking really... I find it irritating but there are worse offenders. The prize has to be between Delyn and Sefton Central, surely It's pretty irritating in my book, although Sefton Central sounds ridiculous it gives some indication of where it is. Delyn doesn't really exist which is quite an issue, but it looks and sounds better than Richmond (Yorks), or Aldridge-Brownhills for that matter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 8:25:00 GMT
In the ongoing/zombie/delayed boundary review, Delyn is proposed to be replaced by "Flint and Rhuddlan", with the Welsh Commission using ''Fflint a Rhuddlan'' as its official alternative name.
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 9, 2018 8:27:35 GMT
I always find Middlesbrough South and Cleveland East excruciatingly cumbersome! Even if the name would be inaccurate, I think I prefer Langbaurgh, and most of the time that's what I tend to call it in my head. Me too, the only reservation being that people will make a hash of how to pronounce it (it's "lang-barf", for the record. I claim authority on this, having lived there for a few years). |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 9:03:30 GMT
The latter is most definitely the most abominable. While I'm still not sure what/where Strathaven and Lesmahgow ( ) are, I can see some justification in including multiple areas from a geographically very large seat like Inverness etc is. 'East Kilbride' is a good name while for the other I'd use 'Inverness and Badenoch' or 'Inverness, Nairn and Badenoch'. Still a bit random to non-residents, but it does describe the constituency and removes the unnecessary Strathspey which is literally already part of the same ward as Badenoch. It's Lesmahagow, pronounced "Lez-ma-HAY-go" I believe (and Strathaven is "STRAVE-en"), and is just off the M74, with a population of 3,685 according to Wikipedia. Yes, that's a bit obscure for a constituency name, but at least it exists, unlike "Delyn", which definitely beats those somewhat cumbersome Scottish ones for "worst name" IMO. Thanks, I had no idea where Lesmahgow is either and I like to think I know my Scottish geography fairly well 😂 |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 9, 2018 13:08:01 GMT
Just call it Cleveland for God's sake Leading Christian approves of blasphemy |
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Post by Andrew_S on May 9, 2018 13:18:43 GMT
I always find Middlesbrough South and Cleveland East excruciatingly cumbersome! Even if the name would be inaccurate, I think I prefer Langbaurgh, and most of the time that's what I tend to call it in my head. I still don't know what Langbaurgh was named after. Probably an ancient village that disappeared in the 10th century. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 9, 2018 13:24:45 GMT
Even if the name would be inaccurate, I think I prefer Langbaurgh, and most of the time that's what I tend to call it in my head. I still don't know what Langbaurgh was named after. Probably an ancient village that disappeared in the 10th century. An historic wapentake of the North Riding, itself named after its meeting place, the hamlet of Langbaurgh near Great Ayton, next to a hill of the same name (the name means "long hill", "baurgh" being cognate with "barrow", "ber(r)y" and "bury"). The wapentake was rather larger than the borough that took its name, and the parliamentary constituency did not include the whole borough. That's the end of class for today, children. |
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Post by goose on May 9, 2018 18:39:22 GMT
North West Cambridgeshire should be renamed to 'Soke & North Huntingdonshire'.
Fight Me.
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Post by john07 on May 10, 2018 0:53:58 GMT
If I could extend this to Ward names, I have an example of a very misleading name from Stockport MB.
This is the Davenport and Cale Green Ward. The main problem being that it does not include Davenport Village or Davenport Station which are in Stepping Hill Ward. It appear to include most of Cale Green along with Shaw Heath and some areas which I always considered to be Heaviley.
The bulk of the Ward would best be described as Adswood. It appears to include the whole of the former Adswood Ward from the old Stockport CB and also a sizeable chunk of the (different) former Cheadle & Gatley UDC Ward of Adswood.
The name is rather confusing. Had it been called Adswood everyone would know where it was. The two separate bit of Adswood make up the biggest share of the area and electorate for the Ward. Adswood and Cale Green would be an acceptable alternative. The reason for the name Davenport is almost certainly down to snobbery. People probably prefer not to be in Adswood and, as a name, Davenport sounds much posher. Only problem is that it is inaccurate.
If there is clamour to have a Davenport Ward, this could be used for the name of the current Stepping Hill Ward. Stepping Hill always conjours up images of a rather grim hospital. The Ward does include most of Davenport including the Village and the Station as well as Davenport Park Road.
Manor Ward is another that I would prefer to see named Heaviley or Little Moor.
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Post by erimus58 on May 10, 2018 2:39:11 GMT
Even if the name would be inaccurate, I think I prefer Langbaurgh, and most of the time that's what I tend to call it in my head. Me too, the only reservation being that people will make a hash of how to pronounce it (it's "lang-barf", for the record. I claim authority on this, having lived there for a few years).
Having lived in the area for 36 years I can say the locals pronounced it Langbar, I never heard anyone call it Langbarf.
There again we did pronounce Chop Gate as Chop Yat and Redcar was pronounced without the final r (red-ka) so maybe the official pronunciation was Langbarf and we just butchered it.
And for the record it was not a well liked name and most preferred Cleveland.
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 10, 2018 7:40:43 GMT
Me too, the only reservation being that people will make a hash of how to pronounce it (it's "lang-barf", for the record. I claim authority on this, having lived there for a few years). Having lived in the area for 36 years I can say the locals pronounced it Langbar, I never heard anyone call it Langbarf.
There again we did pronounce Chop Gate as Chop Yat and Redcar was pronounced without the final r (red-ka) so maybe the official pronunciation was Langbarf and we just butchered it.
And for the record it was not a well liked name and most preferred Cleveland.
I heard both Langbar and Langbarf, but whenever it was anything official to do with the council, e.g. elections, it was Langbarf. Agree with you re Chop Yat and Redca'. Also Marske is "Mask", and Loftus was formerly called Lofthouse. |
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Post by John Chanin on May 10, 2018 9:26:07 GMT
North West Cambridgeshire should be renamed to 'Soke & North Huntingdonshire'. Fight Me. I have visions of large flocks of foxes living in a swamp...... |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 10, 2018 9:51:43 GMT
Compass points. It is entirely arbitrary which district of a city gets a constituency name. Here in Birmingham for example:
North (Erdington) North-West (Perry Barr) Central (Ladywood) South Central (Edgbaston) South-West (Northfield) South (Selly Oak) South-East (Hall Green) East (Yardley) North-East (Hodge Hill)
Apart from anything else people from outside Birmingham would have an idea where the constituencies were. I struggle to see how this makes it more obvious where the seats are considering they aren't neatly arranged. Sure, it becomes apparent that, for example, the area Jess Philips represents is in the East, but it's not apparent where she serves considering how large Birmingham is. These names indicate the main focal points of their seats rather than being a perfect descriptor.Except that they often don't. The focal point of the "Edgbaston" constituency is really Harborne, and Hall Green is very much at one end of its consituency, Moseley being much more central. Washwood Heath is more of a focus for Hodge Hill, and you could argue for Bournville being the centre of Selly Oak. (FWIW, I think Erdington is ok, as are Yardley, Ladywood, Northfield and Perry Barr) There's too much effort put in to keeping old names when they're no longer justified. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on May 10, 2018 11:30:28 GMT
Me too, the only reservation being that people will make a hash of how to pronounce it (it's "lang-barf", for the record. I claim authority on this, having lived there for a few years). Having lived in the area for 36 years I can say the locals pronounced it Langbar, I never heard anyone call it Langbarf.The only time I've ever heard "Langbaurgh" being said out loud was whilst watching coverage for the 1992 General Election, and "lang-barf" was the pronunciation I heard David Dimbleby use when that constituency's results came up. |
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) are, I can see some justification in including multiple areas from a geographically very large seat like Inverness etc is. 'East Kilbride' is a good name while for the other I'd use 'Inverness and Badenoch' or 'Inverness, Nairn and Badenoch'. Still a bit random to non-residents, but it does describe the constituency and removes the unnecessary Strathspey which is literally already part of the same ward as Badenoch. 
