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Post by therealriga on May 10, 2018 12:23:45 GMT
Not a fan of some of the Nottinghamshire local government/wapentake derived constituency names.
Bassetlaw > North Nottinghamshire OR Retford&Worksop
Rushcliffe > South Nottinghamshire OR West Bridgford
Broxtowe > Beeston (maybe with another settlement added to the name)
Gedling > Carlton OR Arnold&Carlton
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 10, 2018 12:36:55 GMT
Gedling > Carlton OR Arnold&Carlton The nearest equivalent seat *was* called Carlton when my father-in-law stood for the Liberals, 1979 I think. |
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Post by therealriga on May 10, 2018 12:55:19 GMT
Gedling > Carlton OR Arnold&Carlton The nearest equivalent seat *was* called Carlton when my father-in-law stood for the Liberals, 1979 I think. Yes, and Broxtowe was previously Beeston. |
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Post by goose on May 10, 2018 13:08:43 GMT
Not a fan of some of the Nottinghamshire local government/wapentake derived constituency names. Bassetlaw > North Nottinghamshire OR Retford&Worksop Rushcliffe > South Nottinghamshire OR West Bridgford Broxtowe > Beeston (maybe with another settlement added to the name) Gedling > Carlton OR Arnold&Carlton I agree that Broxtowe and Gedling should be changed back to their original names but I'm quite partial to Rushcliffe and Bassetlaw. |
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Post by John Chanin on May 10, 2018 13:30:37 GMT
The nearest equivalent seat *was* called Carlton when my father-in-law stood for the Liberals, 1979 I think. Yes, and Broxtowe was previously Beeston. Gedling & Broxtowe (and Rushcliffe) are the names of the local authorities which have similar boundaries (the constituencies are all a little smaller than the local authorities). The names are therefore entirely appropriate and are nothing to do with wapentakes, which went out, thankfully, with the Vikings. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 10, 2018 13:48:28 GMT
Yes, and Broxtowe was previously Beeston. Gedling & Broxtowe (and Rushcliffe) are the names of the local authorities which have similar boundaries (the constituencies are all a little smaller than the local authorities). The names are therefore entirely appropriate and are nothing to do with wapentakes, which went out, thankfully, with the Vikings. Other than that the boroughs themselves owe their names to historic divisions such as wapentakes or hundreds. Which, incidentally, remained in existence long after the Vikings had ceased to hold sway over the land. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 10, 2018 14:00:11 GMT
Having lived in the area for 36 years I can say the locals pronounced it Langbar, I never heard anyone call it Langbarf.The only time I've ever heard "Langbaurgh" being said out loud was whilst watching coverage for the 1992 General Election, and "lang-barf" was the pronunciation I heard David Dimbleby use when that constituency's results came up. I seem to recall during the by-election when Ashok Kumar gained the seat, in the days when BBC did proper by-election programmes, Vincent Hanna spent a day wandering up to people and asking how they pronounced Langbaurgh, and the general consensus was “what’s Langbaurgh?”, even the Returning Officer admitted he had no clue and was going to wing it at the declaration. |
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Post by johnloony on May 10, 2018 14:09:36 GMT
Having lived in the area for 36 years I can say the locals pronounced it Langbar, I never heard anyone call it Langbarf.The only time I've ever heard "Langbaurgh" being said out loud was whilst watching coverage for the 1992 General Election, and "lang-barf" was the pronunciation I heard David Dimbleby use when that constituency's results came up. From that I can only assume that you are old enough to remember 1992 but not 1991. During the Langbaurgh by-election campaign, it was always pronounced "Lang-bar" by everybody in all circumstances, and I don't remember there ever being any confusion or doubt about the issue. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 10, 2018 14:50:19 GMT
On the Radio 4 election coverage in 1992, Brian Redhead pronounced it 'Lang-barth'.
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 10, 2018 14:52:04 GMT
On the Radio 4 election coverage in 1992, Brian Redhead pronounced it 'Lang-barth'. I think we can all agree that that was wrong. But we can still miss Redders, for all his idiosyncracies. |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on May 10, 2018 15:11:50 GMT
The only time I've ever heard "Langbaurgh" being said out loud was whilst watching coverage for the 1992 General Election, and "lang-barf" was the pronunciation I heard David Dimbleby use when that constituency's results came up. During the Langbaurgh by-election campaign, it was always pronounced "Lang-bar" by everybody in all circumstances, and I don't remember there ever being any confusion or doubt about the issue. Considering I hadn't even turned 1 when the 1992 election was held, I can't really remember anything from that time. Rather, I'm going off what I heard whilst watching the repeat coverage of '92 on BBC Parliament last year. |
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Post by YL on May 10, 2018 17:25:42 GMT
Gedling & Broxtowe (and Rushcliffe) are the names of the local authorities which have similar boundaries (the constituencies are all a little smaller than the local authorities). The names are therefore entirely appropriate and are nothing to do with wapentakes, which went out, thankfully, with the Vikings. Other than that the boroughs themselves owe their names to historic divisions such as wapentakes or hundreds. Which, incidentally, remained in existence long after the Vikings had ceased to hold sway over the land. Gedling wasn't a wapentake. I don't know why it was used for the district; was it one of these daft situations where they thought "Carlton & Arnold" was too long and rather than use only one of the names of the larger places they decided to use the name of a tiny one instead? Anyway, I would rename that constituency to "Carlton & Arnold" without hesitation. |
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Post by johnloony on May 10, 2018 17:28:51 GMT
From that I can only assume that you are old enough to remember 1992 but not 1991. During the Langbaurgh by-election campaign, it was always pronounced "Lang-bar" by everybody in all circumstances, and I don't remember there ever being any confusion or doubt about the issue. Considering I hadn't even turned 1 when the 1992 election was held, I can't really remember anything from that time. Rather, I'm going off what I heard whilst watching the repeat coverage of '92 on BBC Parliament last year. Oh! Haha |
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Post by Richard Allen on May 10, 2018 18:07:13 GMT
Aside from the more obvious gripes I have always particularly disliked the name Mid Worcestershire which gives little idea where the constituency is. Droitwich and Evesham would be vastly more suitable.
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Post by therealriga on May 11, 2018 12:57:01 GMT
Aside from the more obvious gripes I have always particularly disliked the name Mid Worcestershire which gives little idea where the constituency is. Droitwich and Evesham would be vastly more suitable. Totally agree. "Mid Somewhereshire" constituencies often tend to be less than satisfactory. Probably it's because they're often cobbled together as the extra seat awarded to a county from leftover bits of oversized seats. As a result they often lack any real focus. Mid Worcs is one of the worst offenders but the former Mid Staffs was pretty horrible too. On the other hand, it's probably best that the Scots never annexed Sussex. If the Scottish Boundary Commission got their hands on Mid Sussex we'd have "Burgess Hill, East Grinstead and Haywards Heath" which does at least describe it well enough, but is a bit of a mouthful. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on May 11, 2018 13:53:15 GMT
Aside from the more obvious gripes I have always particularly disliked the name Mid Worcestershire which gives little idea where the constituency is. Droitwich and Evesham would be vastly more suitable. It's really mid- and south-east Worcestershire, and all of it is within the district of Wychavon, though probably not quite enough to use that name. Evesham is probably as good a name as any, and a lot of people will know where that is. |
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Post by timmullen1 on May 11, 2018 14:23:53 GMT
Never mind the Scots, be grateful we haven’t got the Canadians doing the names!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 15:11:27 GMT
Another North-Eastener firmly in the “Langbar” camp.
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Post by carlton43 on May 11, 2018 15:15:08 GMT
Another North-Eastener firmly in the “Langbar” camp. And your certainty is based on what exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2018 15:47:49 GMT
Another North-Eastener firmly in the “Langbar” camp. And your certainty is based on what exactly? Hearing it pronounced by locals |
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