J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Oct 28, 2017 22:46:18 GMT
In the initial stages of the constituency review I deliberately refered to "Mosborough & Maltby" and "High Hoyland & Beauchief" to re-inforce how silly they were.
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johnloony
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Post by johnloony on Oct 28, 2017 23:09:21 GMT
Brighton Pavilion and Brighton Kemptown should be renamed as Brighton West and Brighton East.
Similarly, Southampton Itchen and Southampton Test should be renamed as East and West. (The only good thing about the current names is that it is possible to remember "Test is West".)
Similarly, the constituencies in Plymouth should have proper compass-point names instead of the confusing ones they tend to have.
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Post by jamie on Oct 29, 2017 0:38:13 GMT
Brighton Pavilion and Brighton Kemptown should be renamed as Brighton West and Brighton East. Similarly, Southampton Itchen and Southampton Test should be renamed as East and West. (The only good thing about the current names is that it is possible to remember "Test is West".) Similarly, the constituencies in Plymouth should have proper compass-point names instead of the confusing ones they tend to have. Agree about Plymouth and Southampton. I'm actually ok with Pavilion (nice sounding name). Kemptown/East really needs to include Peacehaven/whatever major town it includes, as it's a very misleading name, (perhaps more so in the past admittedly). |
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Post by ccoleman on Oct 29, 2017 4:25:53 GMT
Can we have a poll? For worst constituency name I will nominate York Outer (sic). I hope I don't need to explain my reasons. I know this runs contrary to the thread but for best constituency name I nominate Penrith & The Border, has always been a pet favourite, very game of thrones. I like Bethan Green and Bow. I don't know why - it just rolls of the tongue nicely imo. More locally, I actually quite like Haltemprice and Howden. |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 29, 2017 6:23:10 GMT
My least favourite name in the current BCW plan is Aberavon and Ogmore, which is a combination of legacy name from previous seats, neither of which is particularly accurate.
Aberavon refers to a 1960s housing estate and a better name for this part of the seat would be Port Talbot - which includes Aberavon.
Ogmore refers to one of the river valleys (also Llynfi & Garw) which comprise northern Bridgend, and for that reason Bridgend North would be a better name, but this would upset the fine people of Maesteg who have a chip on their shoulder regarding anything to do with Bridgend. So a better name for this part of the seat might be Ogwr in recognition of previous Council name.
Port Talbot & Ogwr would be a much better name in my humble opinion..
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 29, 2017 9:53:27 GMT
Can we have a poll? For worst constituency name I will nominate York Outer (sic). I hope I don't need to explain my reasons. I know this runs contrary to the thread but for best constituency name I nominate Penrith & The Border, has always been a pet favourite, very game of thrones. I like Bethan Green and Bow. I don't know why - it just rolls of the tongue nicely imo. More locally, I actually quite like Haltemprice and Howden. Is that a Welsh seat? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 29, 2017 10:46:59 GMT
Can we have a poll? For worst constituency name I will nominate York Outer (sic). I hope I don't need to explain my reasons. I know this runs contrary to the thread but for best constituency name I nominate Penrith & The Border, has always been a pet favourite, very game of thrones. I prefer York Outer to Penrith and the Border. The border part I find unnecessary and confusing to the lay person. Why not Hexham and the Border if you have a Penrith and the border? For me the worst are the long Scottish ones and Mid Dorset and North Poole. I also tend not to like obscure local authority names. "the Border" in this case being an obscure dated local authority name, much like "Warley". en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Rural_District |
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Post by ccoleman on Oct 29, 2017 10:56:36 GMT
I like Bethan Green and Bow. I don't know why - it just rolls of the tongue nicely imo. More locally, I actually quite like Haltemprice and Howden. Is that a Welsh seat? Haltemprice? No, it's in Yorkshire, west of Hull. It actually contains Hull's affluent suburbs that are not within its city boundaries. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 29, 2017 11:05:05 GMT
My least favourite name in the current BCW plan is Aberavon and Ogmore, which is a combination of legacy name from previous seats, neither of which is particularly accurate. Aberavon refers to a 1960s housing estate and a better name for this part of the seat would be Port Talbot - which includes Aberavon. Ogmore refers to one of the river valleys (also Llynfi & Garw) which comprise northern Bridgend, and for that reason Bridgend North would be a better name, but this would upset the fine people of Maesteg who have a chip on their shoulder regarding anything to do with Bridgend. So a better name for this part of the seat might be Ogwr in recognition of previous Council name. Port Talbot & Ogwr would be a much better name in my humble opinion. Ogmore is the English form of Ogwr. The reference is to the river and not to any of the several settlements near it that have borne the same name. And yes, the name (first given in 1918; the seat was then more or less bisected in 1983 with the creation of the Bridgend seat) is not so very accurate, but Bridgend was far less dominant in 1918 or even in the 1950s than it is today, and, well, it's not actually in the seat. Similarly, though the name Port Talbot was in common use for the entire conurbation by 1918 when the seat was created, no town of the name existed legally until 1921. Aberavon/Aberafan being one of the historic places swallowed up by it. The seat really should have been renamed in 1950, I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 11:10:54 GMT
I like Bethan Green and Bow. I don't know why - it just rolls of the tongue nicely imo. More locally, I actually quite like Haltemprice and Howden. Is that a Welsh seat? Ha ha, not quite carlton43 its David Davies seat and it is in Yorkshire East Riding. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 29, 2017 12:07:23 GMT
Ha ha, not quite carlton43 its David Davies seat and it is in Yorkshire East Riding. No, that is indeed a Welsh seat - Monmouth  |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 29, 2017 12:29:56 GMT
My least favourite name in the current BCW plan is Aberavon and Ogmore, which is a combination of legacy name from previous seats, neither of which is particularly accurate. Aberavon refers to a 1960s housing estate and a better name for this part of the seat would be Port Talbot - which includes Aberavon. Ogmore refers to one of the river valleys (also Llynfi & Garw) which comprise northern Bridgend, and for that reason Bridgend North would be a better name, but this would upset the fine people of Maesteg who have a chip on their shoulder regarding anything to do with Bridgend. So a better name for this part of the seat might be Ogwr in recognition of previous Council name. Port Talbot & Ogwr would be a much better name in my humble opinion. Ogmore is the English form of Ogwr. The reference is to the river and not to any of the several settlements near it that have borne the same name. And yes, the name (first given in 1918; the seat was then more or less bisected in 1983 with the creation of the Bridgend seat) is not so very accurate, but Bridgend was far less dominant in 1918 or even in the 1950s than it is today, and, well, it's not actually in the seat. Similarly, though the name Port Talbot was in common use for the entire conurbation by 1918 when the seat was created, no town of the name existed legally until 1921. Aberavon/Aberafan being one of the historic places swallowed up by it. The seat really should have been renamed in 1950, I suppose. My point is that in both cases the names selected are only used for Constituency purposes, and do not reflect the names of the major settlements, local authorities, common usage or other geographical features. They are just used for legacy reasons and I don't think anyone cares for them. My point about Bridgend is that it is the name of the local authority. |
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Oct 29, 2017 12:34:35 GMT
Has Mid Dorset and North Poole been mentioned yet?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 14:00:22 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 29, 2017 14:03:47 GMT
Has Mid Dorset and North Poole been mentioned yet? And its cognate, Central Suffolk and North Ipswich. In both cases the BCE found a town just too big for one constituency so lopped off a bit, but kept the name of the remaining 'most of the town' seat unchanged. |
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Post by simonc30 on Oct 29, 2017 15:30:14 GMT
Personally, I hate constituencies that refer to regions - North-East Derbyshire, Mid Bedfordshire, West Suffolk et al. I understand the reasoning behind it but still don't like it.
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 29, 2017 15:31:48 GMT
Ogmore is the English form of Ogwr. The reference is to the river and not to any of the several settlements near it that have borne the same name. And yes, the name (first given in 1918; the seat was then more or less bisected in 1983 with the creation of the Bridgend seat) is not so very accurate, but Bridgend was far less dominant in 1918 or even in the 1950s than it is today, and, well, it's not actually in the seat. Similarly, though the name Port Talbot was in common use for the entire conurbation by 1918 when the seat was created, no town of the name existed legally until 1921. Aberavon/Aberafan being one of the historic places swallowed up by it. The seat really should have been renamed in 1950, I suppose. My point is that in both cases the names selected are only used for Constituency purposes, and do not reflect the names of the major settlements, local authorities, common usage or other geographical features. They are just used for legacy reasons and I don't think anyone cares for them. ...or if they do they must be uncurable trivia nerds. You're quite right that the names are rather incongruous, I just added the background on how they came to be. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 17:05:22 GMT
Brighton Pavilion and Brighton Kemptown should be renamed as Brighton West and Brighton East. Similarly, Southampton Itchen and Southampton Test should be renamed as East and West. (The only good thing about the current names is that it is possible to remember "Test is West".) Similarly, the constituencies in Plymouth should have proper compass-point names instead of the confusing ones they tend to have. No. Those are all sensible names. Why should we use boring compass points when naming seats. All the seats you mention have existed since 1950 - why mess with them? Names like 'Devonport' and 'Sutton' have been used in Plymouth seats for decades. I admit though I don't know what 'Moor View' reviews to. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 17:09:42 GMT
I don't like 'Enfield North'
I'd prefer the Enfield seats to be called: Edmonton, Enfield and Southgate.
Also Lewisham, Deptford should just be Deptford.
You wouldn't use Merton, Mitcham & Morden or Wandsworth, Tooting so why use Enfield, Southgate or Lewisham, Deptford?
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Post by La Fontaine on Oct 29, 2017 18:41:00 GMT
North Tyneside.
Firstly, it contains only one half of the borough. Secondly, it is routinely and wrongly described, by the BBC and others as "Tyneside North", as they think there's a local authority called Tyneside. Should be called "Wallsend".
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