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Post by Arthur Figgis on Oct 28, 2017 6:30:51 GMT
Every seat in NI, and missing two in Wales. I’ll get the two Welsh ones in in a few weeks- they are also the only two that have a railway line in them. Are you sure there are only two Welsh constituencies which contain a railway line? I’ve been to all the others before. They’re dead to me.  |
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Post by AdminSTB on Oct 28, 2017 8:04:37 GMT
I still need Louth & Horncastle. And Eileen-and-her-wotsits in Scotland. I still need various bits of East Angular, the Dismal Steeples and oddly enough West Dorset. I aim to be fixing East Angular next Spring. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 9:23:27 GMT
In that particular case, of course, it's a perfect and complete list of all the seat's components so it probably should have been called that all along. I for one do not wish to see the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey-isation of every seat. I do. |
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 28, 2017 9:56:53 GMT
I for one do not wish to see the Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey-isation of every seat. Don't you mean the Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East-isation? Or even East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow-isation  |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Oct 28, 2017 11:34:58 GMT
I too would prefer East Yorkshire (my former constituency) to be renamed as Bridlington. I would even bring back John Townend for the fun of it. The only thing is, the constituency covers a fairly substantial rural area: miles and miles of flat countryside and numerous villages that extend right over to the western border of the East Riding of Yorkshire, some 30 or 40 miles or so away from the town of Bridlington itself. Perhaps Buckrose should be revived? EDIT: I see Buckrose has already been mentioned on another thread today. I, and several others, suggested to the BCE that East Yorkshire is a completely silly name. You wouldn't have a single seat called 'South Yorkshire' or 'West Yorkshire' or 'North Yorkshire', so why do this for seat which only covers a small part of the East Riding area, and a tiny fraction of the entirity of Yorkshire, not something approaching a quarter, which the name would imply. So not only misleading but also entirely out of kilter with naming conventions in the rest of the area, and indeed the country. I proposed the name 'Bridlington and Pocklington'. The BCE were having none of it, obviously. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Oct 28, 2017 11:44:18 GMT
We still cope with West Bromwich East. And don't forget East Kilbride Central South and East Kilbride Central North, which are genuine ward names. Somebody needs to confiscate their compasses until they come up with better names! There should be a rule of no more than one compass point in any name, ever. If the place name itself contains a compass point - e.g. West Bromwich, East Grinstead etc. then just find an alternative. West Bromwich West could easily be something like 'Wednesbury and Tipton', and West Bromwich East would then just be 'West Bromwich' (on current boundaries, a single West Bromwich is happening anyway on the new proposals). |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Oct 28, 2017 11:53:21 GMT
MPs don’t help that though. I’ve seen Zac Goldsmith’s leaflets referring to his seat as ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’. Also ‘Hove & Portslade’ has been used by Peter Kyle. I've heard Justine G referring to her seat as 'Putney and Roehampton', and even on occasion, 'Putney, Roehampton and Southfields'. I suspect there are constituents who react more positively when their own neck of the woods is namechecked, and this is why they do it, but how far are you willing to go? It just sounds convoluted and ultimately could be confusing to some electors who have trouble working out which seat they're in - especially if they're in an outlying part of a namechecked place that isn't actually in the seat. Let's just hope Jamie Stone doesn't adopt this practice... |
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Post by jigger on Oct 28, 2017 12:01:49 GMT
MPs don’t help that though. I’ve seen Zac Goldsmith’s leaflets referring to his seat as ‘Richmond Park & North Kingston’. Also ‘Hove & Portslade’ has been used by Peter Kyle. I've heard Justine G referring to her seat as 'Putney and Roehampton', and even on occasion, 'Putney, Roehampton and Southfields'. I suspect there are constituents who react more positively when their own neck of the woods is namechecked, and this is why they do it, but how far are you willing to go? It just sounds convoluted and ultimately could be confusing to some electors who have trouble working out which seat they're in - especially if they're in an outlying part of a namechecked place that isn't actually in the seat. Let's just hope Jamie Stone doesn't adopt this practice... She refers to her constituency this way on both her Twitter and Facebook accounts. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 28, 2017 12:48:54 GMT
Somebody needs to confiscate their compasses until they come up with better names! There should be a rule of no more than one compass point in any name, ever. If the place name itself contains a compass point - e.g. West Bromwich, East Grinstead etc. then just find an alternative. West Bromwich West could easily be something like 'Wednesbury and Tipton', and West Bromwich East would then just be 'West Bromwich' (on current boundaries, a single West Bromwich is happening anyway on the new proposals). The really stupid thing about the current West Bromwich constituencies is that the names refer to a form of that borough that only lasted for eight years (1966-74). It's really quite unfortunate that the Initial Report removed Tipton from the Wednesbury constituency, and then by the time the Second Review put it back, it was neologism season. I suppose it's better though that the neologisms didn't come a few years later – we narrowly avoided Sandwell North West. Indeed and by the time the constituencies actually came into use the borough for which they were named no longer existed. Arguably even worse in the case of Warley as that is a poxy place to have had two seats named after it. At elast as early as 1983 they could have rectified it in the way you describe for the West Bromwich seats and by going back to Smethwick for Warley East (or at the least Warley & Smethwick) and Oldbury & Rowley Regis for Warley West |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 28, 2017 15:11:17 GMT
Every seat in NI, and missing two in Wales. I’ll get the two Welsh ones in in a few weeks- they are also the only two that have a railway line in them. Are you sure there are only two Welsh constituencies which contain a railway line? Actually, I am struggling to think of any Welsh constituency that does NOT have a railway station in it......maybe Clwyd South? |
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Post by Penddu on Oct 28, 2017 15:28:48 GMT
....looks like I was wrong.....Ruabon station is in Clwyd South....
I thought Swansea West missed out because I misplaced Swansea High Street in Swansea East. I also thought maybe Newport East but it has Severn Tunnel Junction.
So ...useless election trivia....every Welsh constituency has at least one railway station...!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 15:34:36 GMT
Can we have a poll? For worst constituency name I will nominate York Outer (sic). I hope I don't need to explain my reasons. I know this runs contrary to the thread but for best constituency name I nominate Penrith & The Border, has always been a pet favourite, very game of thrones. Arundel & South Downs for me. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 28, 2017 15:35:58 GMT
It has two; Ruabon and Chirk. I have had the pleasure of hearing a very confused person look out the window while on the phone to someone and say that the train was in a place called 'Chirk-wye-wowan'. |
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Post by YL on Oct 28, 2017 16:36:36 GMT
Which constituencies have the worst names in your view? Alyn and Deeside and Delyn. Should be East and West Flintshire. Delyn isn't even a word. For me "Delyn" is hard to beat as the worst of all. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 28, 2017 19:27:37 GMT
....looks like I was wrong.....Ruabon station is in Clwyd South.... I thought Swansea West missed out because I misplaced Swansea High Street in Swansea East. I also thought maybe Newport East but it has Severn Tunnel Junction. So ...useless election trivia....every Welsh constituency has at least one railway station...! I am proud of my evenings work. I think I need to lie down.. The more interesting useless trivia question is which has most. let the poor boy have a little snooze at least! |
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Oct 28, 2017 19:59:49 GMT
....looks like I was wrong.....Ruabon station is in Clwyd South.... I thought Swansea West missed out because I misplaced Swansea High Street in Swansea East. I also thought maybe Newport East but it has Severn Tunnel Junction. So ...useless election trivia....every Welsh constituency has at least one railway station...! I am proud of my evenings work. I think I need to lie down.. Dwyfor Meirionnydd And no, I couldn't list them all. |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Oct 28, 2017 20:52:50 GMT
Dwyfor Meirionnydd And no, I couldn't list them all. The weird thing about that interminable ride out to Pwllheli is that somehow hopeless stations in the middle of nowhere in Meirionnydd, such as Tonfannau and Llandecwyn, survived, when more viable stations in Montgomeryshire (e.g. Forden, Llanbrynmair) were closed. This is atypical of Beeching cuts in that around 1/3 of route mileage was closed but about 2/3 of stations, but it is an understood, if quirky phenomenon The reason behind it is that more substantial stations and lines had the potential to make savings by being closed altogether, but where a line was going to stay open anyway, and the through stations were in the middle of nowhere but low maintenance and with no obvious bus alternative, it was preferable to keep them open in some capacity rather than close them. There are some pretty weird stations that survived on the network for this reason, although some did succumb later. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 21:23:16 GMT
Can we have a poll? For worst constituency name I will nominate York Outer (sic). I hope I don't need to explain my reasons. I know this runs contrary to the thread but for best constituency name I nominate Penrith & The Border, has always been a pet favourite, very game of thrones. I prefer York Outer to Penrith and the Border. The border part I find unnecessary and confusing to the lay person. Why not Hexham and the Border if you have a Penrith and the border? For me the worst are the long Scottish ones and Mid Dorset and North Poole. I also tend not to like obscure local authority names. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 21:29:56 GMT
Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire is quite irritating.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 28, 2017 22:30:23 GMT
I've heard Justine G referring to her seat as 'Putney and Roehampton', and even on occasion, 'Putney, Roehampton and Southfields'. I suspect there are constituents who react more positively when their own neck of the woods is namechecked, and this is why they do it, but how far are you willing to go? It just sounds convoluted and ultimately could be confusing to some electors who have trouble working out which seat they're in - especially if they're in an outlying part of a namechecked place that isn't actually in the seat. Let's just hope Jamie Stone doesn't adopt this practice... She refers to her constituency this way on both her Twitter and Facebook accounts. I don't really mind how MPs and leaflets refer to constituencies unofficially. David Cameron actually once called his 'West Oxfordshire' in Parliament even though that's the name of the local authority. Around here we often see mentions of 'Weston and the villages' [as in Weston-super-Mare] but are spared the delight of seeing every village listed separately. It strikes me that (as an outsider from faraway Rotherham), Greening may have felt she had to work the constituency and really got to know it before she landed a decent Cabinet post. Contrast that with Amber Rudd's short, shellshocked ramble after she hung on in Hastings & Rye this year in which she mentioned the seat's formal name three or four times. That was a sure sign of someone who was only using their seat as a springboard to fast-track them into a top job. Somebody in that position more naturally familiar with their own patch would be comfortable abbreviating the name to 'Hastings' and possibly giving a nod to St Leonard's, Winchelsea and the Ore Valley as well. It has two; Ruabon and Chirk. I have had the pleasure of hearing a very confused person look out the window while on the phone to someone and say that the train was in a place called 'Chirk-wye-wowan'. Just 'confused'? You're a far more tolerant man than I, Sib. Dwyfor Meirionnydd And no, I couldn't list them all. I never know what to name constituencies when drawing boundaries in Welsh speaking areas. I often end up just writing 'the welsh for the southern bit of Gwinhead and Aberconway' for example. I've tried online language translators but they always come out with very long translations 'De Gwynedd a De Conwy' for the example given above which seems to me like a very silly name. Be careful of online translators as they may miss mutations, although that's not an issue with the way you've worded this particular example. Gwynedd was made up of 3 districts (well, 4 with Anglesey) until the mid-90s so you could call the southern part Meirionnydd in Welsh – which also has the advantage of being an historic county. The main inland settlement that comes to mind for southern Aberconwy would be Betws-y-Coed. Whether that name would work depends on exactly how you've drawn the boundaries, of course. |
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