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Post by tiberius on Apr 29, 2018 17:38:50 GMT
There's a Rother council area (named after the eponymous river) in Sussex.
There's also Rotherham, in South Yorkshire, a city and also a Westminister constituency.
There's also the Rother Valley seat right next door.
And the city of Rotherham is also named after a river named Rother.
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Post by bsjmcr on Apr 29, 2018 19:28:47 GMT
Not a parliamentary constituency, but Doncaster used to have a ward called Richmond which was of course nothing like its namesakes in London and North Yorkshire. See also Bradford in Manchester. Until now! For this year it is now scrapped in favour of the more meaningful Clayton and Openshaw. 'Old Moat' should have gone too, though Manchester is miles ahead of Bury when it comes to identifiable, meaningful ward names. Bury has some crackers including Holyrood and 'North Manor'. As well as 'Church' - which probably has several churches and do the other wards not have churches? And there is no such thing as a Pilkington Park in Whitefield - would be better known as Philips Park. Is it any wonder why local election turnouts are low in Bury if you don't even know where wards are and what they contain. I will probably hit many nerves here but all ward names should include the town's name. E.g. Prestwich St Mary's, Prestwich East instead of Holyrood, Whitefield East/West, Bury West (instead of Church) etc... |
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Post by greenchristian on May 8, 2018 10:28:18 GMT
Bury has some crackers including Holyrood and 'North Manor'. As well as 'Church' - which probably has several churches and do the other wards not have churches? And there is no such thing as a Pilkington Park in Whitefield - would be better known as Philips Park. Is it any wonder why local election turnouts are low in Bury if you don't even know where wards are and what they contain. I will probably hit many nerves here but all ward names should include the town's name. E.g. Prestwich St Mary's, Prestwich East instead of Holyrood, Whitefield East/West, Bury West (instead of Church) etc... Even if the council in question consists of a single town or city? |
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Post by froome on May 8, 2018 16:26:35 GMT
See also Bradford in Manchester. Until now! For this year it is now scrapped in favour of the more meaningful Clayton and Openshaw. 'Old Moat' should have gone too, though Manchester is miles ahead of Bury when it comes to identifiable, meaningful ward names. Bury has some crackers including Holyrood and 'North Manor'. As well as 'Church' - which probably has several churches and do the other wards not have churches? And there is no such thing as a Pilkington Park in Whitefield - would be better known as Philips Park. Is it any wonder why local election turnouts are low in Bury if you don't even know where wards are and what they contain. I will probably hit many nerves here but all ward names should include the town's name. E.g. Prestwich St Mary's, Prestwich East instead of Holyrood, Whitefield East/West, Bury West (instead of Church) etc... It's lucky there isn't a ward called St Edmunds in Bury. |
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Post by goose on Jun 8, 2018 19:29:42 GMT
East Devon isn't actually the most eastward constituency within Devon, Exmouth would be a far more appropriate name as it is the largest town.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 9:22:51 GMT
East Devon isn't actually the most eastward constituency within Devon, Exmouth would be a far more appropriate name as it is the largest town. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but North East Derbyshire is not the most northeasterly seat, nor does it cover the whole local authority with the same name. |
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Post by YL on Jun 10, 2018 7:21:05 GMT
East Devon isn't actually the most eastward constituency within Devon, Exmouth would be a far more appropriate name as it is the largest town. I'm sure it's been mentioned before but North East Derbyshire is not the most northeasterly seat, nor does it cover the whole local authority with the same name. You could call it Dronfield & Clay Cross. A shorter alternative probably wouldn't fly because it is so obviously divided into bits north and south of Chesterfield. I think the reason this name is relatively uncontroversial in practice is because people in the area concerned do indeed think of themselves as living in north-east Derbyshire so are not unhappy with the name; that areas in the Bolsover constituency have even more right to the name doesn't bother them. (To me, "North East Derbyshire" essentially means the area covered by this constituency, Bolsover and Chesterfield.) It's also been like that for rather a long time. I don't think it's a very good name, but I don't see much prospect of changing it barring major boundary changes. East Devon and East Yorkshire are similar. Neither are good names if you look at a map, and I would change both, but they do cover parts of east Devon and east Yorkshire respectively. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 8:25:04 GMT
I'm sure it's been mentioned before but North East Derbyshire is not the most northeasterly seat, nor does it cover the whole local authority with the same name. You could call it Dronfield & Clay Cross. A shorter alternative probably wouldn't fly because it is so obviously divided into bits north and south of Chesterfield. I think the reason this name is relatively uncontroversial in practice is because people in the area concerned do indeed think of themselves as living in north-east Derbyshire so are not unhappy with the name; that areas in the Bolsover constituency have even more right to the name doesn't bother them. (To me, "North East Derbyshire" essentially means the area covered by this constituency, Bolsover and Chesterfield.) It's also been like that for rather a long time. I don't think it's a very good name, but I don't see much prospect of changing it barring major boundary changes. East Devon and East Yorkshire are similar. Neither are good names if you look at a map, and I would change both, but they do cover parts of east Devon and east Yorkshire respectively. I would agree. It's all too easy to think of better alternatives when the fact is it has been the name for decades. |
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Post by islington on Jun 10, 2018 8:50:06 GMT
A constituency named North East Derbyshire has existed since 1885 and if you look at the original boundaries on a contemporary map here
you can see that its name was apt. The boundaries have shifted over the years, but it's always kept the same name.
(Note that Derbyshire had nine MPs on the 1885 boundaries, not eight as the map might imply; Derby was a double-member constituency.)
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 10, 2018 8:53:43 GMT
Wales, Rotherham is I guess a little bit like Wales, they both have mines. But I guess the similarities stop there. And close to Rhodesia and Spion Kop. |
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Post by catking on Jun 11, 2018 14:11:08 GMT
See also Bradford in Manchester. Until now! For this year it is now scrapped in favour of the more meaningful Clayton and Openshaw. 'Old Moat' should have gone too, though Manchester is miles ahead of Bury when it comes to identifiable, meaningful ward names. Bury has some crackers including Holyrood and 'North Manor'. As well as 'Church' - which probably has several churches and do the other wards not have churches? And there is no such thing as a Pilkington Park in Whitefield - would be better known as Philips Park. Is it any wonder why local election turnouts are low in Bury if you don't even know where wards are and what they contain. I will probably hit many nerves here but all ward names should include the town's name. E.g. Prestwich St Mary's, Prestwich East instead of Holyrood, Whitefield East/West, Bury West (instead of Church) etc...
It is true that Bury has some baffling names that could do with impriving but not sure about many of your suggestions.
North Manor is a nonsense name but then again, the ward doesn't really make much sense. Greenmount & Walmersley after the two largest villages might be the most appropriate.
Pilkington Park is named after the Pilkington family who used to own much of Whitefield (though they were stripped of their land after the battle of Bosworth I believe, so hardly a relevant name. But Philips Park doesn't work as a ward name, given that Philips Park is situated in St Marys ward. Then again St Marys Park is actually in Sedgley ward. And Sedgley Park Rugby Club is based in Pilkington Park...
Pilkington Park should be renamed Stand.
You can't call Holyrood Prestwich East as the ward is only half Prestwich. It also contains Kirkhams which is in Whitefield and Simister which is a separate village. It also contains parts of Middleton thanks to the quirk of the borough boundaries. Holyrood is the name of a road in the ward and has been the long established name of the ward. Arguably the most appropriate name would be Heaton Park but that isn't in the ward (or the borough) either.
The Bury town wards are confusing as Church ward contains about a third of the area known as Elton. Elton isn't the largest area in Elton ward. That's Brandleshome. East ward is no longer the East of Bury town centre as it now includes Bury town centre. Moorside ward no longer makes any sense as it no longer has any of the villages based on the side of the moor, which used to give it its name.
Radcliffe's wards are also a muddle despite being compass points. Much of Radcliffe East is more northernly than Radcliffe North.
Ultimately, the problem with Bury's ward names is that most of the boundaries don't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 17:15:22 GMT
Radcliffe's wards are also a muddle despite being compass points. Much of Radcliffe East is more northernly than Radcliffe North.
This could only remind me of my pet hate of North Dulwich and East Dulwich railway stations. Look at them on a map and you'll see why it bothers me. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 11, 2018 17:36:01 GMT
Radcliffe's wards are also a muddle despite being compass points. Much of Radcliffe East is more northernly than Radcliffe North.
This could only remind me of my pet hate of North Dulwich and East Dulwich railway stations. Look at them on a map and you'll see why it bothers me. My favourite misnamed village is North Skelton in Redcar and Cleveland. It's SE of Skelton. |
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Post by jamie on Jun 11, 2018 18:51:57 GMT
Newcastle upon Tyne has a couple. Ouseburn ward is named after the River Ouseburn. It is based on Shieldfield and Heaton Park, with a crossing of the Ouseburn between them supposedly justifying the name. However, the vast majority of the Ouseburn is further north in the city. Furthermore, there is now another ward which crosses the Ouseburn so the name is even less justified. A better name would be Shieldfield and Heaton Park. The other ward is Manor Park. It is named after the street of Manor Park and the Heaton Manor school associated with it. The problem is that Manor Park is a small area, on the edge of the ward and just not very well known. It could honestly be anywhere in the city. In their defence, there's not much of a better name. The ward is a hodgepodge of part of the Newcastle section of Benton, the northern edges of Heaton and part of High Heaton. North Heaton or Heaton Manor would probably be the least worst options, as you would at least have an idea where the ward is.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 11, 2018 19:56:37 GMT
This could only remind me of my pet hate of North Dulwich and East Dulwich railway stations. Look at them on a map and you'll see why it bothers me. My favourite misnamed village is North Skelton in Redcar and Cleveland. It's SE of Skelton. Menai Bridge railway station was on a different land mass to the place of that name. |
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Post by Adrian on Jun 12, 2018 12:20:18 GMT
Radcliffe's wards are also a muddle despite being compass points. Much of Radcliffe East is more northernly than Radcliffe North.
This could only remind me of my pet hate of North Dulwich and East Dulwich railway stations. Look at them on a map and you'll see why it bothers me. I see that ED station was once called Champion Hill, but at least it is in East Dulwich. I suppose ND should be renamed Dulwich Village and WD renamed Dulwich Common. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 11, 2018 16:18:29 GMT
Until now! For this year it is now scrapped in favour of the more meaningful Clayton and Openshaw. 'Old Moat' should have gone too, though Manchester is miles ahead of Bury when it comes to identifiable, meaningful ward names. Bury has some crackers including Holyrood and 'North Manor'. As well as 'Church' - which probably has several churches and do the other wards not have churches? And there is no such thing as a Pilkington Park in Whitefield - would be better known as Philips Park. Is it any wonder why local election turnouts are low in Bury if you don't even know where wards are and what they contain. I will probably hit many nerves here but all ward names should include the town's name. E.g. Prestwich St Mary's, Prestwich East instead of Holyrood, Whitefield East/West, Bury West (instead of Church) etc...
It is true that Bury has some baffling names that could do with impriving but not sure about many of your suggestions.
North Manor is a nonsense name but then again, the ward doesn't really make much sense. Greenmount & Walmersley after the two largest villages might be the most appropriate.
Pilkington Park is named after the Pilkington family who used to own much of Whitefield (though they were stripped of their land after the battle of Bosworth I believe, so hardly a relevant name. But Philips Park doesn't work as a ward name, given that Philips Park is situated in St Marys ward. Then again St Marys Park is actually in Sedgley ward. And Sedgley Park Rugby Club is based in Pilkington Park...
Pilkington Park should be renamed Stand.
You can't call Holyrood Prestwich East as the ward is only half Prestwich. It also contains Kirkhams which is in Whitefield and Simister which is a separate village. It also contains parts of Middleton thanks to the quirk of the borough boundaries. Holyrood is the name of a road in the ward and has been the long established name of the ward. Arguably the most appropriate name would be Heaton Park but that isn't in the ward (or the borough) either.
The Bury town wards are confusing as Church ward contains about a third of the area known as Elton. Elton isn't the largest area in Elton ward. That's Brandleshome. East ward is no longer the East of Bury town centre as it now includes Bury town centre. Moorside ward no longer makes any sense as it no longer has any of the villages based on the side of the moor, which used to give it its name.
Radcliffe's wards are also a muddle despite being compass points. Much of Radcliffe East is more northernly than Radcliffe North.
Ultimately, the problem with Bury's ward names is that most of the boundaries don't make sense.
Great explanation, thank you. Of course the good folks of the boundary commission, having done Manchester, are looking at Salford (where boundaries mostly make sense to me) for changes, and not Bury. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 11, 2018 16:23:45 GMT
This could only remind me of my pet hate of North Dulwich and East Dulwich railway stations. Look at them on a map and you'll see why it bothers me. I see that ED station was once called Champion Hill, but at least it is in East Dulwich. I suppose ND should be renamed Dulwich Village and WD renamed Dulwich Common. East Dulwich should be renamed Dog Turd Hill. |
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Post by catking on Jul 12, 2018 8:43:48 GMT
It is true that Bury has some baffling names that could do with impriving but not sure about many of your suggestions.
North Manor is a nonsense name but then again, the ward doesn't really make much sense. Greenmount & Walmersley after the two largest villages might be the most appropriate.
Pilkington Park is named after the Pilkington family who used to own much of Whitefield (though they were stripped of their land after the battle of Bosworth I believe, so hardly a relevant name. But Philips Park doesn't work as a ward name, given that Philips Park is situated in St Marys ward. Then again St Marys Park is actually in Sedgley ward. And Sedgley Park Rugby Club is based in Pilkington Park...
Pilkington Park should be renamed Stand.
You can't call Holyrood Prestwich East as the ward is only half Prestwich. It also contains Kirkhams which is in Whitefield and Simister which is a separate village. It also contains parts of Middleton thanks to the quirk of the borough boundaries. Holyrood is the name of a road in the ward and has been the long established name of the ward. Arguably the most appropriate name would be Heaton Park but that isn't in the ward (or the borough) either.
The Bury town wards are confusing as Church ward contains about a third of the area known as Elton. Elton isn't the largest area in Elton ward. That's Brandleshome. East ward is no longer the East of Bury town centre as it now includes Bury town centre. Moorside ward no longer makes any sense as it no longer has any of the villages based on the side of the moor, which used to give it its name.
Radcliffe's wards are also a muddle despite being compass points. Much of Radcliffe East is more northernly than Radcliffe North.
Ultimately, the problem with Bury's ward names is that most of the boundaries don't make sense.
Great explanation, thank you. Of course the good folks of the boundary commission, having done Manchester, are looking at Salford (where boundaries mostly make sense to me) for changes, and not Bury. Both Salford and Manchester ward boundary changes were triggered by big population shifts meaning the ward reviews were required by law. At last check, Bury's wards are still mostly in proportion and there is no realistic prospect of an enforced boundary change any time soon. Regrettably, we are stuck with the current boundaries for a long while yet.
Having said that, while the current boundaries are a total muddle from an objective point of view, they couldn't be better drawn from a party political perspective.
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Post by john07 on Aug 5, 2018 11:44:01 GMT
About a third of the Hazel Grove area is in the Stepping Hill ward and therefore the Cheadle constituency. The situation was more like 40% in the 1983-2010 boundaries. The annoying thing is that Stepping Hill appears to include Davenport Station and most of Davenport Village. Meanwhile Davenport Ward extends deep into the former Cheadle & Gatley UDC Adswood Ward. That section used to be the only reliably Labour voting area within the former Cheadle Hulme North Ward in Stockport MDC. Now it has been transferred to Davenport, Cheadle Hulme North elected a Labour Councillor! |
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