Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Mar 14, 2018 20:38:33 GMT
- Barkston Ash - A wapentake of the West Riding
- Buckrose - A wapentake of the East Riding
- Eddisbury - A hundred of Cheshire
- Eifion - from Eifionnydd, a former sessional division of Carnarvonshire (as it was then spelt)
- Medway - A river and unitary authority in Kent
- Osgoldcross - A wapentake of the West Riding
- Rushcliffe - A wapentake of Nottinghamshire
- St Augustine's - from the Lathe of St Augustine, an historical division of Kent
- Wansbeck - A river and former local government district in Northumberland
See above. When a constituency or district has a puzzling name, there's usually a decent reason behind it, and the old lathes, hundreds and wapentakes feature large in these. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 14, 2018 21:33:42 GMT
Thing is, the small second place added on doesn't really matter to anybody except the local residents. They can glorify in their recognition, and everybody else can just refer to the constituency by the first element. It isn't needed. Yes, and nobody sane cares either way. The fact that rather a lot of us here get het up about things that canonically do not matter does not make those things important. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:12:33 GMT
"Pendle should be called Nelson"
No it shouldn't.
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Mar 14, 2018 23:07:12 GMT
Bring back "Finchley"
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Post by greenhert on Mar 14, 2018 23:17:13 GMT
"Pendle should be called Nelson" No it shouldn't. The predecessor was Nelson & Colne, not Nelson, which also did not include either the villages of Barnoldswick or Earby (taken from the West Riding of Yorkshire and the Skipton constituency). |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 14, 2018 23:39:46 GMT
No electors are hoping their modest little township will be added to the name. None. All this modern nonsense has been added by politicians, insiders, local authority wonks and sundry bloody idiots. the rest of us want York Rochester Maidstone Inverness Ipswich Crewe WarwickLancaster And NOTHING else....Dammit! You want to start naming some constituencies after the second largest town contained within their boundaries? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 14, 2018 23:41:59 GMT
No electors are hoping their modest little township will be added to the name. None. All this modern nonsense has been added by politicians, insiders, local authority wonks and sundry bloody idiots. the rest of us want York Rochester Maidstone Inverness Ipswich Crewe WarwickLancaster And NOTHING else....Dammit! You want to start naming some constituencies after the second largest town contained within their boundaries? It doesn't necessarily have to be the most populous town, it can be the most historic for example. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 23:46:17 GMT
No electors are hoping their modest little township will be added to the name. None. All this modern nonsense has been added by politicians, insiders, local authority wonks and sundry bloody idiots. the rest of us want York Rochester Maidstone Inverness Ipswich Crewe WarwickLancaster And NOTHING else....Dammit! You want to start naming some constituencies after the second largest town contained within their boundaries? Wouldn't be a new thing, what about Richmond (Yorks)? Northallerton is the largest town in that seat. |
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Post by greenchristian on Mar 14, 2018 23:57:39 GMT
You want to start naming some constituencies after the second largest town contained within their boundaries? Wouldn't be a new thing, what about Richmond (Yorks)? Northallerton is the largest town in that seat. Is Richmond a de facto suburb of Northallerton in the same way that Warwick is of Leamington or Hove is of Brighton? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 0:01:52 GMT
Wouldn't be a new thing, what about Richmond (Yorks)? Northallerton is the largest town in that seat. Is Richmond a de facto suburb of Northallerton in the same way that Warwick is of Leamington or Hove is of Brighton? No, they're both towns in their own right. |
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 15, 2018 7:59:53 GMT
No electors are hoping their modest little township will be added to the name. None. All this modern nonsense has been added by politicians, insiders, local authority wonks and sundry bloody idiots. the rest of us want York Rochester Maidstone Inverness Ipswich Crewe WarwickLancaster And NOTHING else....Dammit! You want to start naming some constituencies after the second largest town contained within their boundaries? I'd be happy with just Warwick as it is the name of the local District council. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 15, 2018 8:31:02 GMT
Wouldn't be a new thing, what about Richmond (Yorks)? Northallerton is the largest town in that seat. Is Richmond a de facto suburb of Northallerton in the same way that Warwick is of Leamington or Hove is of Brighton? No, no and no. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 15, 2018 8:42:42 GMT
In the current review almost everybody who responded said the old name (edit: Attercliffe) should be re-instated. Will it be though? (Pete's summary is correct.) We'll find out in September. |
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Post by islington on Mar 15, 2018 10:50:47 GMT
- Barkston Ash - A wapentake of the West Riding ('Selby and Wetherby')
- Buckrose - A wapentake of the East Riding ('Bridlington' (or 'Bridlington and Driffield'))
- Eddisbury - A hundred of Cheshire ('West Cheshire')
- Eifion - from Eifionnydd, a former sessional division of Carnarvonshire (as it was then spelt) ('East Carnavonshire' or 'Lleyn')
- Medway - A river and unitary authority in Kent ('Mid Kent')
- Osgoldcross - A wapentake of the West Riding ('Goole and Castleford')
- Rushcliffe - A wapentake of Nottinghamshire ('South Nottinghamshire')
- St Augustine's - from the Lathe of St Augustine, an historical division of Kent ('East Kent' (or 'Deal' if a town name is preferred))
- Wansbeck - A river and former local government district in Northumberland (a tough one, because the major towns in the area, such as Morpeth and Blyth, are all in the Morpeth seat - 'East Northumberland' is the best I can think of)
See above. When a constituency or district has a puzzling name, there's usually a decent reason behind it, and the old lathes, hundreds and wapentakes feature large in these. Well, yes, but I wasn't arguing that these were randomly assigned names pulled out of nowhere. I was simply pointing out that names of this kind, to which Conservativeestimate was objecting, actually go back far beyond his suggested date of 1983. That said, I agree with him completely in objecting to names that reference geographical features such as hills or rivers, or obsolete administrative structures with names that will be familiar only to the antiquarian. I've added above my suggested alternative names for the 1885 seats. On other issues, I agree that where a town name is used, it needn't always be the largest in the seat. The 1885 redistribution was nothing less than revolutionary - by far the greatest upheaval our Parliamentary boundaries have ever seen - but it was lent a certain sense of continuity by a deliberate policy of naming county seats, where possible, after abolished Parliamentary boroughs. To some extent, this approach continues - it is why the West Cornwall seat is called 'St Ives' (and there are probably a few more examples that survive to this day). This seems to me a fitting nod to our Parliamentary history and it would be nice to maintain the tradition where we can. But at the end of the day, I have to agree with EAL that names don't really matter all that much. But they're diverting to discuss. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Apr 16, 2018 20:42:31 GMT
Blackley and Broughton - at least one of those is mispronounced by the majority not familiar with Manchester, which used to be in the name before 2010. If 'Knowsley North and Sefton East' was allowed, then I think Manchester North and Salford East would be a better fit for such a diverse area.
Garston and Halewood, another example of the well-known becoming unknown.
Sutton Coldfield - no mention of Birmingham? To me sounds like a cross between somewhere in London and I would have thought a north-eastern mining town.
Filton and Bradley Stoke isn't in Staffordshire?! Bridgend sounds too English to be in Wales and Bognor Regis sounds too Welsh to be in England...
The Wyre Forest must've been pretty large at one point because it appears in Lancashire as well as Worcestershire.
A rare display of sense from the boundary people comes in the form of Hyndburn becoming Accrington.
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Post by Lord Twaddleford on Apr 16, 2018 21:33:24 GMT
Sutton Coldfield - no mention of Birmingham? To me sounds like a cross between somewhere in London and I would have thought a north-eastern mining town. Sutton Coldfield hasn't always been a part of Birmingham (and I have sneaking suspicion that folks there wish it wasn't, too). |
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Post by bjornhattan on Apr 16, 2018 21:56:34 GMT
Blackley and Broughton - at least one of those is mispronounced by the majority not familiar with Manchester, which used to be in the name before 2010. Um, just one question - how would you mispronounce Blackley and Broughton? All the sources I can find seem to have it pronounced as you would expect. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Apr 16, 2018 22:37:51 GMT
Blackley and Broughton - at least one of those is mispronounced by the majority not familiar with Manchester, which used to be in the name before 2010. Um, just one question - how would you mispronounce Blackley and Broughton? All the sources I can find seem to have it pronounced as you would expect. Definitely heard it pronounced Black-ly and not Blake-lee as it should be, by not only members of the public but MPs too, and on one occasion Brow-ton. Of course it's totally understandable hence it should just be removed given there are other wards it could be named after. I'm not trawling through hours of BBC Parliament but I do wonder how David Cameron would've said it. He famously pronounced Stalybridge as Stall-ybridge and Hyde. Thankfully got Hyde right thanks to Jekyll and the London Park which I suspect he is more familiar with than the Northern town! But sometimes there are just the quirks and wonders of the English language: most, including myself, will pronounce my district, Bury, as Berry, but some people from Bury town might say 'Burry'... |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 16, 2018 22:49:25 GMT
A friend from south east London always complained about mispronunciation of Erith - which is Ea-rith, not errith.
Also about Eltham (it's Elt - ham with the 't' pronounced, not Elth - um with a thorn).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 3:53:58 GMT
I was at the BCE meeting at Manchester Town Hall during discussion about creating Blackley and Broughton. My observation that there are many places called Broughton, which might cause confusion, was swiftly dismissed.
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