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Post by carlton43 on Apr 17, 2018 6:11:50 GMT
Um, just one question - how would you mispronounce Blackley and Broughton? All the sources I can find seem to have it pronounced as you would expect. Definitely heard it pronounced Black-ly and not Blake-lee as it should be, by not only members of the public but MPs too, and on one occasion Brow-ton. Of course it's totally understandable hence it should just be removed given there are other wards it could be named after. I'm not trawling through hours of BBC Parliament but I do wonder how David Cameron would've said it. He famously pronounced Stalybridge as Stall-ybridge and Hyde. Thankfully got Hyde right thanks to Jekyll and the London Park which I suspect he is more familiar with than the Northern town! But sometimes there are just the quirks and wonders of the English language: most, including myself, will pronounce my district, Bury, as Berry, but some people from Bury town might say 'Burry'... One of the more common names in England is Boughton often paired with another word. It is pronounced in a quite different manner in each region Boo-tun Bow-tun Bor-tun And there may well be others? |
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Post by YL on Apr 17, 2018 7:07:26 GMT
Blackley and Broughton - at least one of those is mispronounced by the majority not familiar with Manchester, which used to be in the name before 2010. Um, just one question - how would you mispronounce Blackley and Broughton? All the sources I can find seem to have it pronounced as you would expect. Well, "Broughton" contains the string "ough", which pretty much means that it doesn't have an obvious pronunciation. In fact, according to a commenter on John Wells's phonetic blog (on a post originally discussing the pronunciation of a different constituency name) there are five pronunciations used for places with the spelling Broughton. And "Blackley" is definitely not pronounced as I would expect: the first syllable is like "Blake", not "Black". |
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 17, 2018 7:14:43 GMT
Definitely heard it pronounced Black-ly and not Blake-lee as it should be, by not only members of the public but MPs too, and on one occasion Brow-ton. Of course it's totally understandable hence it should just be removed given there are other wards it could be named after. I'm not trawling through hours of BBC Parliament but I do wonder how David Cameron would've said it. He famously pronounced Stalybridge as Stall-ybridge and Hyde. Thankfully got Hyde right thanks to Jekyll and the London Park which I suspect he is more familiar with than the Northern town! But sometimes there are just the quirks and wonders of the English language: most, including myself, will pronounce my district, Bury, as Berry, but some people from Bury town might say 'Burry'... One of the more common names in England is Boughton often paired with another word. It is pronounced in a quite different manner in each region Boo-tun Bow-tun Bor-tun And there may well be others? surely its baw-tun? |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 17, 2018 8:08:47 GMT
One of the more common names in England is Boughton often paired with another word. It is pronounced in a quite different manner in each region Boo-tun Bow-tun Bor-tun And there may well be others? surely its baw-tun? There was an English composer called, rather splendidly, Rutland Boughton. He's now rather obscure but not completely forgotten. Anyway, his name is pronounced Bow-ton, in other words the bough is that of a tree. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 17, 2018 8:12:19 GMT
But sometimes there are just the quirks and wonders of the English language: most, including myself, will pronounce my district, Bury, as Berry, but some people from Bury town might say 'Burry'... I used to work with a lass from Bury - she called it "Burreh". OTOH, the Suffolk town is definitely "Berry". |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 17, 2018 8:14:49 GMT
A friend from south east London always complained about mispronunciation of Erith - which is Ea-rith, not errith. It's a cognate of Earith in Cambridgeshire, which is pronounced as you'd expect. However, I believe St Ives in Cornwall ought to be pronounced "Saint Eeves", while the Cambs version is as it looks (like 'orrible Ives in Porridge). |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 17, 2018 9:26:07 GMT
One of the more common names in England is Boughton often paired with another word. It is pronounced in a quite different manner in each region Boo-tun Bow-tun Bor-tun And there may well be others? surely its baw-tun? You say Bawtun and I say Borton!.....Let's call the whole thing off. |
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 17, 2018 10:41:48 GMT
Tim Loughton pronounces his name Lawton whereas the town in Essex is pronounced lout-on. Well the Essex town ,being Essex, really is Lout-on, whereas Tim ought to be Lought-on  |
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 17, 2018 12:08:57 GMT
Well the Essex town ,being Essex, really is Lout-on, whereas Tim ought to be Lought-on Lout 'un? probably nearer it, yes |
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Post by islington on Apr 17, 2018 14:16:45 GMT
I've always thought that there's a certain beauty in the name of Loughborough (the name, not the place), which not only uses the 'ough' string twice but pronounces it differently each time.
On a vaguely related matter, I had occasion the other day to refer to Wroughton, in Wiltshire (near Swindon), and it occurred to me that I have no idea how to pronounce it. Is the 'ough' as in 'bough', 'bought', 'tough', or 'trough'?
Can anyone with local knowledge enlighten me?
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 17, 2018 14:52:32 GMT
I played in a concert conducted by a fellow with that as a surname recently. He pronounced it Raw-ton.
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Post by syorkssocialist on Apr 23, 2018 17:59:05 GMT
Not a parliamentary constituency, but Doncaster used to have a ward called Richmond which was of course nothing like its namesakes in London and North Yorkshire.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 23, 2018 18:23:02 GMT
Not a parliamentary constituency, but Doncaster used to have a ward called Richmond which was of course nothing like its namesakes in London and North Yorkshire. You won't find many Tories in Toryglen in Glasgow. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 23, 2018 18:56:08 GMT
Not a parliamentary constituency, but Doncaster used to have a ward called Richmond which was of course nothing like its namesakes in London and North Yorkshire. Whar about Richmond, Sheffield? |
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Post by swanarcadian on Apr 23, 2018 19:01:10 GMT
Not a parliamentary constituency, but Doncaster used to have a ward called Richmond which was of course nothing like its namesakes in London and North Yorkshire. Spoken like a true Yorkshireman. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Apr 23, 2018 20:28:24 GMT
Wales, Rotherham is I guess a little bit like Wales, they both have mines. But I guess the similarities stop there.
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Post by syorkssocialist on Apr 29, 2018 1:13:02 GMT
The Holywell ward in Northumberland is also rather far away from Holywell, Flintshire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 8:09:03 GMT
Not a parliamentary constituency, but Doncaster used to have a ward called Richmond which was of course nothing like its namesakes in London and North Yorkshire. See also Bradford in Manchester. |
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Post by froome on Apr 29, 2018 8:22:23 GMT
I've always thought that there's a certain beauty in the name of Loughborough (the name, not the place), which not only uses the 'ough' string twice but pronounces it differently each time. On a vaguely related matter, I had occasion the other day to refer to Wroughton, in Wiltshire (near Swindon), and it occurred to me that I have no idea how to pronounce it. Is the 'ough' as in 'bough', 'bought', 'tough', or 'trough'? Can anyone with local knowledge enlighten me? Just seen this. AFAIK Wroughton is pronounced Ror-ton, at least that is how I've been pronouncing it for a long time, and nobody has pulled me up about it! Places which use a syllable (string?) more than once but pronounced differently should definitely be a thread of its own. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 29, 2018 9:52:52 GMT
The Holywell ward in Northumberland is also rather far away from Holywell, Flintshire. And not forgetting Holywell ward in Watford, of course. |
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