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Post by Robert Waller on Oct 26, 2017 23:31:27 GMT
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Post by Robert Waller on Oct 26, 2017 23:34:12 GMT
Sussex Conservatives @mid_Sussex 9 minutes ago
Congratulations to Rex Whittaker and Frazier Visser who won the East Grinstead Imberhorne by-elections, both with over 50% of the vote
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Post by jigger on Oct 26, 2017 23:36:32 GMT
If my calculations are correct our vote share is down by 9.5% here. If so, that's the worst result that we've had for a while and is very disappointing indeed. Not on 2015 it isn't. 25.1% to 22.6% amounts to -2.5%. It's down 9.3% on 2011 - but that's Labour's high water mark, helped enormously by being the only non-Tory party contesting. Sorry, I should have made it clear that by "our" I was referring to the combined Conservative-Labour vote share. That's my fault entirely - I wasn't at all clear . Whilst I am currently a supporter of the Labour Party, my first political loyalty will always be to ensuring the continuance of the Conservative-Labour duopoly and politically everything else is secondary (by a long way) to that overarching and extremely important objective. |
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Post by jigger on Oct 26, 2017 23:45:20 GMT
Sussex Conservatives @mid_Sussex 9 minutes ago Congratulations to Rex Whittaker and Frazier Visser who won the East Grinstead Imberhorne by-elections, both with over 50% of the vote Were there two vacancies then? Bet one of them is for the town council. |
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Post by middleenglander on Oct 26, 2017 23:47:57 GMT
Sussex Conservatives @mid_Sussex 9 minutes ago Congratulations to Rex Whittaker and Frazier Visser who won the East Grinstead Imberhorne by-elections, both with over 50% of the vote Were there two vacancies then? Bet one of them is for the town council. Correct |
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Post by lbarnes on Oct 27, 2017 0:01:40 GMT
jigger , someone puts a gun to your head and instructs you to choose either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party to establish a one party state in the UK. Which do you choose? The gun. |
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 27, 2017 0:11:04 GMT
Ah well, I agree with the late Jo Cox on grammar schools actually. I guess I have a rather soviet view of education! However my comment was more a dig at the way the actions of many opponents of grammar schools seem to change when faced with the prospect of sending their children to the local comprehensive (unless the said comprehensive is in a nice leafy suburb, where they have bought a nice expensive house, of course...). In the case of Heckmondwike Grammar School the parents of the local YL activists will almost certainly have paid private tutors to help their children get in. It is a thriving local industry... What was the opinion of the late Jo Cox if you don't mind me asking. I don't think it's hypocritical so to speak. I remember speaking to a mother at a branch meeting who had done as you described (used tutors to get her daughter into the grammar), she said that in the political sphere, based on evidence, she would get rid of grammar schools and make every comprehensive outstanding. But in the personal sphere she must do as a parent what is best for her child. I didn't judge her for that and neither should anyone imo, parents must do what is best for their children first and foremost. Sorry Benjil, I may have maligned Jo Cox - I was sure I had seen her express guarded support for grammar schools somewhere, but now I can't find it. In fact now I can't find any record of her saying anything about grammar OR comprehensive schools, even in a long speech in the House of Commons about the attainment gap between pupils in Yorkshire and London. Of course she visited HGS and said nice things about the pupils, accompanied by Tracy Brabin, another former pupil I think you are wise not to judge parents who seek to do the best for their children. Personally I don't think either the grammar school or the comprehensive system has succeeded for poorer pupils in this country. There is a very clear correlation between free school meals and poor attainment for both high and low attainers (except at the very highest levels of FSM, where perhaps extra resources have made some difference), so peer-group seems to be all-important. If you live in Dewsbury and are middle class you either try and get your kids in to HGS by paying for tuition, or you move to Mirfield, buying the peer group that way... So the question for the mother you spoke to is how exactly she is going to make every comprehensive school outstanding - getting rid of grammar schools has not done that |
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Post by jigger on Oct 27, 2017 0:27:40 GMT
jigger , someone puts a gun to your head and instructs you to choose either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party to establish a one party state in the UK. Which do you choose? Well, currently it would have to be the Labour Party because I am a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but on many occasions I would have said the Conservative Party (most recently when Gordon Brown was Leader of the Labour Party). But I am generally against one-party states (either de jure or de facto). |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 27, 2017 0:39:33 GMT
First I don't think children can be held responsible for the choices of their parents.
Second the presence of HGS means that neighbouring "comprehensives" simply aren't
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Post by jigger on Oct 27, 2017 0:50:21 GMT
Another relatively poor result in East Grinstead (though it is churlish to complain too much when you get more than 70% of the vote). This has been the worst election night for some time for people of my political viewpoint.
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Post by jigger on Oct 27, 2017 1:22:35 GMT
East Grinstead:
Conservative Party candidate: 58.5% (-2.0%)
Liberal Democrat: 22.3%
Labour Party candidate: 11.9% (-8.7%)
Independent: 7.3%
Swing (Labour to Conservative): 3.4%
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Post by YL on Oct 27, 2017 6:50:12 GMT
First I don't think children can be held responsible for the choices of their parents. Second the presence of HGS means that neighbouring "comprehensives" simply aren't Quite. If there are grammar schools in an area it is highly misleading to refer to other secondary schools which share their catchment areas as "comprehensives", and I don't see anything hypocritical about parents who happen to live in such areas wanting their children to go to the local grammar, whether they support the selective system or not. |
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 27, 2017 7:11:29 GMT
Raw votes in East Grinstead Imberhorne were
C 540 LD 206 Lab 110 Ind 67
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 27, 2017 7:14:05 GMT
First I don't think children can be held responsible for the choices of their parents. Second the presence of HGS means that neighbouring "comprehensives" simply aren't I am afraid that is head in sand stuff! Demographic flight from poor to rich areas has had a far bigger effect on comprehensive schools than the presence of one grammar school in all of Kirklees. HGS has pupils who arrive every day by taxi from north Leeds. It is a small school with a vast effective catchment area. Meanwhile if you take Leeds, which has been all comprehensive from the start, the kids from the poor areas who might be creamed off by a grammar school are already gone as their parents moved to the suburbs a generation ago, or got sent to private schools. Once upon a time the Tories used to win council seats in inner Leeds in Holbeck and Beeston. Now that is unthinkable, and the comprehensive system has accelerated this demographic flight and ghettoisation. |
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 27, 2017 7:17:50 GMT
First I don't think children can be held responsible for the choices of their parents. Second the presence of HGS means that neighbouring "comprehensives" simply aren't Quite. If there are grammar schools in an area it is highly misleading to refer to other secondary schools which share their catchment areas as "comprehensives", and I don't see anything hypocritical about parents who happen to live in such areas wanting their children to go to the local grammar, whether they support the selective system or not. Agreed. But living in an area with comprehensive schools and sending your children to a grammar school in a different area is another matter, and cannot be justified. ( Stand up Harman & Dromey, amongst others). |
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Post by middleenglander on Oct 27, 2017 8:23:10 GMT
There were two by-elections in East Grinstead Imberhorne yesterday, for the District and Town Councils, on identical boundaries. The results can be summarised by:
| District | District
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| | Party | votes | share | votes | share | votes | share | | Conservative | 540 | 58.5% | 513 | 54.7% | -27 | -3.8% | Liberal Democrat | 206 | 22.3% | 196 | 20.9% | -10 | -1.4% | Labour | 110 | 11.9% | 114 | 12.2% | +4 | +0.3% | Independent Sanders | 67 | 7.3% |
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| -67 | -7.3% | Independent Leighton |
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| 88 | 9.4% | +88 | +9.4% | UKIP |
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| 26 | 2.8% | +26 | +2.8% | Total votes | 923
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The Labour and Liberal Democrat candidates were the same for the two elections. |
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Post by andrewp on Oct 27, 2017 8:23:41 GMT
From the It's our County Facebook page on the result in Hereford. Interesting comment about the Church.
congratulations to Stuart Anderson (Conservative) for winning the King's Acre by-election this evening. Votes as follows:
Stuart Anderson - Conservative 302
Matt Bushkes - IOC 156
Clare Fenton -Independent 162
Lucy Hurds - Liberal 90
David Lewer - Labour 75
Stuart joins Jon Johnson, David Harlow and Mark McEvilly as the fourth member of Freedom Church Hereford to become a Conservative County Councillor since 2015.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2017 8:38:55 GMT
The count in Batley starts at 10:30 AM.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 27, 2017 9:53:56 GMT
First I don't think children can be held responsible for the choices of their parents. Second the presence of HGS means that neighbouring "comprehensives" simply aren't I am afraid that is head in sand stuff! Demographic flight from poor to rich areas has had a far bigger effect on comprehensive schools than the presence of one grammar school in all of Kirklees. HGS has pupils who arrive every day by taxi from north Leeds. It is a small school with a vast effective catchment area. Meanwhile if you take Leeds, which has been all comprehensive from the start, the kids from the poor areas who might be creamed off by a grammar school are already gone as their parents moved to the suburbs a generation ago, or got sent to private schools. Once upon a time the Tories used to win council seats in inner Leeds in Holbeck and Beeston. Now that is unthinkable, and the comprehensive system has accelerated this demographic flight and ghettoisation. No. Not the comprehensive system. So called "parental choice" which favours the sharp elbowed. |
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Oct 27, 2017 10:33:44 GMT
Derbyshire Dales, Ashbourne South - Conservative hold | Party | 2017 votes | 2017 share | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | Conservative | 495 | 46.2% | -7.6% | -6.4% | -19.3% | -15.0% | Liberal Democrat | 334 | 31.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | Labour | 242 | 22.6% | -1.9% | -2.5% | -11.9% | -16.2% | UKIP |
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| -21.7% | -22.2% |
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| Total votes | 1,071 |
| 44% | 45% | 80% |
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Swing not meaningful Council now 28 Conservative, 5 Labour, 3 Liberal Democrat, 2 Independent, 1 Vacant Pretty sure the percentages are wrong here, there was a Green but not UKIP last time in 2015 EDIT: Sorry, percentages are right, just put UKIP instead of Green! |
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