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Post by owainsutton on Jul 6, 2024 10:45:41 GMT
Overall, including loonies and fruitcakes, do more candidates lose their deposits than retain them?? Or do more candidates retain their deposits than lose them?? How much profit did the deposit system make this election?? The House of Commons Library include this in their post-election research. The 2019 info is here, pp.79-80: researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8749/CBP-8749.pdf |
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Post by riccimarsh on Jul 6, 2024 11:42:14 GMT
Overall, including loonies and fruitcakes, do more candidates lose their deposits than retain them?? Or do more candidates retain their deposits than lose them?? How much profit did the deposit system make this election?? The House of Commons Library include this in their post-election research. The 2019 info is here, pp.79-80: researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-8749/CBP-8749.pdfMagnificent, thank-you. This is why this forum is invaluable. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 7, 2024 9:54:10 GMT
As mentioned elsewhere I think, Labour's only lost deposit this time was Westmorland and Lonsdale. This compares to 12 in 2019 (though there were none in 2017)
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 8, 2024 0:07:50 GMT
Have started looking through where the Conservatives lost their deposit this time. A potentially non-exhaustive list: Glasgow NE Glasgow E Glasgow S Glasgow SW Glasgow W Glasgow N West Dunbartonshire Cumbernauld & Kirkintilloch Coatbridge & Bellshill Airdrie & Shotts Na h-Eileanan an-iar NE Fife Dundee Central Orkney & Shetland Bootle Knowsley Liverpool Walton Liverpool Riverside Liverpool West Derby Liverpool Wavertree Bristol Central Islington North Hackney South & Shoreditch (potentially not if spoilt ballots are included in the calculation) Bethnal Green & Stepney Also all the seats they stood in in Northern Ireland, but it seems redundant to count those. Surprisingly none of the Manchester seats, the closest was Withington at 5.5%, followed by Rusholme at 5.8% (but a lot fewer votes, given it had the lowest turnout nationally) Had they lost it in Withington that would have been quite impressive given it was a Tory seat right up to 1987. Would Bristol Central have been notionally Tory before 1997, as West was? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 8, 2024 4:43:40 GMT
Have started looking through where the Conservatives lost their deposit this time. A potentially non-exhaustive list: Glasgow NE Glasgow E Glasgow S Glasgow SW Glasgow W Glasgow N West Dunbartonshire Cumbernauld & Kirkintilloch Coatbridge & Bellshill Airdrie & Shotts Na h-Eileanan an-iar NE Fife Dundee Central Orkney & Shetland Bootle Knowsley Liverpool Walton Liverpool Riverside Liverpool West Derby Liverpool Wavertree Bristol Central Islington North Hackney South & Shoreditch (potentially not if spoilt ballots are included in the calculation) Bethnal Green & Stepney Also all the seats they stood in in Northern Ireland, but it seems redundant to count those. Not quite exhaustive but close, missing Mid Dunbartonshire and Caithness Sutherland & Ross. The most remarkable seat on here is surely NE Fife, always 1st or 2nd until 10 years ago (yes yes tactical voting) Reform's lost deposits are in Islington N Hackney both Bethnal Green & Stepney Stratford & Bow East Ham Harrow E Tottenham Hornsey & Friern Barnet Walthamstow Tooting Clapham & Brixton Hill Dulwich & W Norwood Peckham Lewisham N Lewisham W & E Dulwich Streatham & Croydon N Bristol C Rusholme Withington Mid Dunbartonshire E Renfrewshire Glasgow N Glasgow S Edinburgh all five NE Fife Green and LD lost deposits are too many to list, I seem to have mislaid my blank map of the new boundaries or I'd start mapping them now |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 8, 2024 4:51:11 GMT
The Workers Party saved deposits in
Brentford & Isleworth
Feltham & Heston
Ealing N
Ealing Southall
Hayes & Harlington
Brent W
Stratford & Bow
Barking
Crawley
Wycombe
Luton both
Watford
Peterborough
Smethwick
Yardley
Hodge Hill & Solihull N
Derby S
Nottingham E
Halifax
Middlesbrough
Blackburn
Rochdale
Oldham E
Ashton under Lyne
Rusholme
Gorton & Denton
Stretford & Urmston
Bolton S & Walkden
The Scottish Green Party in
Glasgow all six
Edinburgh except West
East Lothian
Orkney & Shetland (great list that)
The SDP in Doncaster N and Leeds S, UKIP in Stone & Penkridge (seats without Reform candidates)
Steve Radford in West Derby
PC lost its deposit in Monmouth, Brecon & Cwm Tawe, Alyn & Deeside
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 8, 2024 4:59:03 GMT
Independents and localists of all stripes in
Holborn & St Pancras
Islington N
Bethnal Green & Bow
Poplar & Limehouse
Stratford & Bow
West Ham & Beckton
East Ham
Harrow W
Tottenham
Leyton & Wanstead
Chingford
Ilford both
Sittingbourne & Sheppey
Hove
Oxford E
Slough
Luton both
Epping Forest
Walsall
Perry Barr
Erdington
Ladywood
Hall Green (2)
Selly Oak
Edgbaston
Stoke C
Ashfield
Leicester E (2)
Leicester S
Sleaford & N Hykeham
South Holland
Brightside & Hillsborough
Bradford all (2 in W)
South Shields
Newcastle W
N Northumberland
Fylde
Preston
Chorley
Pendle & Clitheroe
Blackburn
Heywood & Middleton
Oldham W (2)
Wigan
St Helens S
Garston
Blaenau Gwent & Rhymney
Pontypridd
Bridgend
Eileanan an Iar
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 8, 2024 8:57:27 GMT
The Workers Party saved deposits in PC lost its deposit in Monmouth, Brecon & Cwm Tawe, Alyn & Deeside Three areas in which Plaid have never saved their deposit if you look at previous versions of the substantive part of these seats. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jul 8, 2024 9:51:49 GMT
The Workers Party saved deposits in PC lost its deposit in Monmouth, Brecon & Cwm Tawe, Alyn & Deeside Three areas in which Plaid have never saved their deposit if you look at previous versions of the substantive part of these seats. Of course. Plaid had a very good election, vote gains nearly across the board. |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 8, 2024 11:49:48 GMT
Independents and localists of all stripes in Holborn & St Pancras Islington N Bethnal Green & Bow Poplar & Limehouse Stratford & Bow West Ham & Beckton East Ham Harrow W Tottenham Leyton & Wanstead Chingford Ilford both Sittingbourne & Sheppey Hove Oxford E Slough Luton both Epping Forest Walsall Perry Barr Erdington Ladywood Hall Green (2) Selly Oak Edgbaston Stoke C Ashfield Leicester E (2) Leicester S Sleaford & N Hykeham South Holland Brightside & Hillsborough Bradford all (2 in W) South Shields Newcastle W N Northumberland Fylde Preston Chorley Pendle & Clitheroe Blackburn Heywood & Middleton Oldham W (2) Wigan St Helens S Garston Blaenau Gwent & Rhymney Pontypridd Bridgend Eileanan an Iar Information in the public domain, errors proprietary held not lost |
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Post by aberdeensouth on Jul 13, 2024 12:55:13 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 13, 2024 12:59:39 GMT
4.8% in Roxburgh and Berwickshire in 1987.
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Post by aberdeensouth on Jul 15, 2024 17:53:40 GMT
Brilliant knowledge. Thanks.
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Post by nyx on Jul 15, 2024 22:43:47 GMT
Deposits that were only narrowly lost:
UUP, Mid Ulster. 2269 votes; 2273 needed to keep deposit
Green, Poole. 2218 votes; 2225 needed to keep deposit
Reform, Brent West. 2061 votes; 2069 needed to keep deposit
Green, Rawmarsh and Conisbrough. 1687 votes; 1696 needed to keep deposit
Conservative, Hackney South and Shoreditch. 2076 votes; 2086 needed to keep deposit
Deposits that were only narrowly kept:
Green, St Austell and Newquay. 2337 votes; 2337 votes needed to keep deposit (!)
Green, Luton North. 1940 votes; 1938 needed to keep deposit
Green, Sutton Coldfield. 2419 votes; 2417 needed to keep deposit
Labour, Godalming and Ash. 2748 votes; 2745 needed to keep deposit
Lib Dem, Newcastle-under-Lyme. 1987 votes; 1981 needed to keep deposit
Green, Sleaford and North Hykeham. 2435 votes; 2429 needed to keep deposit
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 16, 2024 8:52:54 GMT
Deposits that were only narrowly lost: UUP, Mid Ulster. 2269 votes; 2273 needed to keep deposit Green, Poole. 2218 votes; 2225 needed to keep deposit Reform, Brent West. 2061 votes; 2069 needed to keep deposit Green, Rawmarsh and Conisbrough. 1687 votes; 1696 needed to keep deposit Conservative, Hackney South and Shoreditch. 2076 votes; 2086 needed to keep deposit Deposits that were only narrowly kept: Green, St Austell and Newquay. 2337 votes; 2337 votes needed to keep deposit (!) Green, Luton North. 1940 votes; 1938 needed to keep deposit Green, Sutton Coldfield. 2419 votes; 2417 needed to keep deposit Labour, Godalming and Ash. 2748 votes; 2745 needed to keep deposit Lib Dem, Newcastle-under-Lyme. 1987 votes; 1981 needed to keep deposit Green, Sleaford and North Hykeham. 2435 votes; 2429 needed to keep deposit I wonder in how many of these there may have been a recount? For the narrowly lost deposits of course. Imagine a recount for a narrowly held one! “Nope, I want to see if you lose your deposit and we are short on cash and need the £500”. I assume of course there was a conventional recount in Poole anyway with the closeness of the top two. |
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Post by pl on Jul 16, 2024 9:59:06 GMT
Deposits that were only narrowly lost: UUP, Mid Ulster. 2269 votes; 2273 needed to keep deposit Green, Poole. 2218 votes; 2225 needed to keep deposit Reform, Brent West. 2061 votes; 2069 needed to keep deposit Green, Rawmarsh and Conisbrough. 1687 votes; 1696 needed to keep deposit Conservative, Hackney South and Shoreditch. 2076 votes; 2086 needed to keep deposit Deposits that were only narrowly kept: Green, St Austell and Newquay. 2337 votes; 2337 votes needed to keep deposit (!) Green, Luton North. 1940 votes; 1938 needed to keep deposit Green, Sutton Coldfield. 2419 votes; 2417 needed to keep deposit Labour, Godalming and Ash. 2748 votes; 2745 needed to keep deposit Lib Dem, Newcastle-under-Lyme. 1987 votes; 1981 needed to keep deposit Green, Sleaford and North Hykeham. 2435 votes; 2429 needed to keep deposit I wonder in how many of these there may have been a recount? For the narrowly lost deposits of course. Imagine a recount for a narrowly held one! “Nope, I want to see if you lose your deposit and we are short on cash and need the £500”. I assume of course there was a conventional recount in Poole anyway with the closeness of the top two. How commonly known is it that you can call a recount for a lost deposit? I imagine not many paper candidates know (who may be acting as their own agent), and agents for minor party no hopers may not be that clued up on election law. I doubt the returning officer will offer a recount for a deposit at 4am when everyone wants to go home. It may even be cheaper to offer to repay the deposit than keep everyone on for even another 20 mins to do a recount. I remember reading that Sunderland has offered to return deposits before to prevent recounts to allow them to declare first. |
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Post by batman on Jul 16, 2024 10:31:34 GMT
Joke independents might not know, but paper candidates for the established parties surely will.
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Post by islington on Jul 16, 2024 10:36:04 GMT
I wonder in how many of these there may have been a recount? For the narrowly lost deposits of course. Imagine a recount for a narrowly held one! “Nope, I want to see if you lose your deposit and we are short on cash and need the £500”. I assume of course there was a conventional recount in Poole anyway with the closeness of the top two. How commonly known is it that you can call a recount for a lost deposit? I imagine not many paper candidates know (who may be acting as their own agent), and agents for minor party no hopers may not be that clued up on election law. I doubt the returning officer will offer a recount for a deposit at 4am when everyone wants to go home. It may even be cheaper to offer to repay the deposit than keep everyone on for even another 20 mins to do a recount. I remember reading that Sunderland has offered to return deposits before to prevent recounts to allow them to declare first. Are there any other grounds on which a recount may be sought?
Suppose, for instance, the winner is clear but the race for second is desperately close - just a vote or two in it.
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Post by cathyc on Jul 16, 2024 11:05:25 GMT
How commonly known is it that you can call a recount for a lost deposit? I imagine not many paper candidates know (who may be acting as their own agent), and agents for minor party no hopers may not be that clued up on election law. I doubt the returning officer will offer a recount for a deposit at 4am when everyone wants to go home. It may even be cheaper to offer to repay the deposit than keep everyone on for even another 20 mins to do a recount. I remember reading that Sunderland has offered to return deposits before to prevent recounts to allow them to declare first. Are there any other grounds on which a recount may be sought?
Suppose, for instance, the winner is clear but the race for second is desperately close - just a vote or two in it.
No. Why would there be a recount for that? But there was a table on here yesterday showing how narrowly some candidates held their deposits. I think one of them was exactly on the line. Could a Returning Officer initiate or a rival agent demand a recount in those circumstances? |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 16, 2024 11:10:47 GMT
There have definitely been recounts caused by there only being handful of votes involved in losing a deposit, yes.
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