Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 1, 2017 18:03:31 GMT
So not actual fraud, but still looks pretty pathetic; presumably the episode will appear on the leaflets of every other party standing.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 1, 2017 18:08:55 GMT
Maybe Nuttall didn't want to give his home address in Bootle or Liverpool in case it became a target for opponents of UKIP. So he just has [Address in Bootle Consitituency] on the nomination form and no one would care, because everyone knows he's a Big Bootle Meff. However, now he's been a plonker and created an issue out of nothing. It's gone from "not local" which everyone knew anyway, to looking very dodgy because he hasn't even rented the place. Except it isn't an issue to anyone who isn't a plonker!
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 1, 2017 18:13:53 GMT
You have to ask what the point is of the polls at the top of these by-election threads, when 10 people have voted for a LibDem Gain from Labour? Clearly those ten people have a ridiculous Pythonesque type of humour. Know nothing about elections. Are hopeless optimists or just plain stupid. I want Labour to win and I think the Conservative party do too. That will make sure Corbyn stays in place until the general election. I think it's not totally impossible that we could have a comedy result where someone wins on 25% or something in which case it's not totally out of the question the Lib Dems could be the beneficiaries. But, the chances are much lower than 10%. Surely that would be evidence of a closely fought campaign and very close result. Why do you employ the word 'comedy'? Do you think close contests are inherently funny? If so why?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:18:08 GMT
So not actual fraud, but still looks pretty pathetic; presumably the episode will appear on the leaflets of every other party standing. whats pathetic is that someone thinks they have to pretend to live in the area, when clearly Nuttall is from outside. Plenty do it from all parties but as if anyone believes he lives in Stoke.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 1, 2017 18:20:41 GMT
Pages of drivel on whether a candidate has or has not rented a property and whether he has or has not moved into it. What truly pathetic moronic activity by some of you. Just because he is the UKIP candidate. any bloody nonsense will do. get on the tail of the Kipper. Bloody idiots the lot of you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:26:00 GMT
I think it's not totally impossible that we could have a comedy result where someone wins on 25% or something in which case it's not totally out of the question the Lib Dems could be the beneficiaries. But, the chances are much lower than 10%. Surely that would be evidence of a closely fought campaign and very close result. Why do you employ the word 'comedy'? Do you think close contests are inherently funny? If so why? I think when a candidate gets elected on a quarter of the vote in a fptp system it's quite amusing, yes. It indicates a level of political eclecticism in a single area that is quite fascinating too - though Stoke is a past master at this in council elections.
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Post by john07 on Feb 1, 2017 18:28:23 GMT
I think you will find that Nuttall has rented the property. Agents leave stuff up on Rightmove to encourage customers - the more properties they seem to have, the more people will come to them. Generally three quarters of property "available to let" on Rightmove is nothing of the sort. I say this as someone who was trying to rent a property not long ago. Indeed, like recruitment consultants. It is always amusing going through the job ads in Building Magazine. There will typically be three posts: one senior manager, one intermediate and one for a recent graduate. Half the time none of the jobs actually exist. It would be a agency attempting up get a few move cvs on their books. I am always suspicious of a job ad that does not specify the company. A pal of mine applied for a job under a box number and it turned out to be his own employer. He was hauled in and got a pay rise though!
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Richard Allen
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 1, 2017 18:39:03 GMT
Pages of drivel on whether a candidate has or has not rented a property and whether he has or has not moved into it. What truly pathetic moronic activity by some of you. Just because he is the UKIP candidate. any bloody nonsense will do. get on the tail of the Kipper. Bloody idiots the lot of you. I agree that the matter is nonsense, but that being the case why is Nuttall seemingly bothered by such nonsense?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 18:49:59 GMT
why does he decide to move into Stoke just 4 weeks before an election because obviously he believes it wins votes, thats how shallow politics is now.
Not party political as I said above, all do this nonsense.
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 1, 2017 18:50:59 GMT
Pages of drivel on whether a candidate has or has not rented a property and whether he has or has not moved into it. What truly pathetic moronic activity by some of you. Just because he is the UKIP candidate. any bloody nonsense will do. get on the tail of the Kipper. Bloody idiots the lot of you. I agree that the matter is nonsense, but that being the case why is Nuttall seemingly bothered by such nonsense? As an old hand at this sort of thing I imagine you must have come across it frequently before. I can remember a number of by-elections I was involved in where the candidate (often candidates) had rented (even bought) a cheap terrace house to use in the campaign and to serve as an address on the ballot. It is (was) such a commonplace I don't understand all this ullage, other than typical 'cosh a kipper' silliness.
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Post by Richard Allen on Feb 1, 2017 19:00:32 GMT
I agree that the matter is nonsense, but that being the case why is Nuttall seemingly bothered by such nonsense? As an old hand at this sort of thing I imagine you must have come across it frequently before. I can remember a number of by-elections I was involved in where the candidate (often candidates) had rented (even bought) a cheap terrace house to use in the campaign and to serve as an address on the ballot. It is (was) such a commonplace I don't understand all this ullage, other than typical 'cosh a kipper' silliness. Well I have always thought it looks silly when candidates do it but then I deplore the idea that parliamentary candidates need to be locals. In this case it just looks really weird because literally everybody knows that Nuttall isn't a local, hence many of the comments in this thread.
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Post by greenchristian on Feb 1, 2017 19:04:06 GMT
Pages of drivel on whether a candidate has or has not rented a property and whether he has or has not moved into it. What truly pathetic moronic activity by some of you. Just because he is the UKIP candidate. any bloody nonsense will do. get on the tail of the Kipper. Bloody idiots the lot of you. A few years ago, we had a council candidate in Solihull who had moved into the area since the last set of local elections, but was unable to get his previous council (Birmingham) to take him off their electoral role. Labour reported the matter to the police, claiming he was ineligible as a candidate, and then persuaded the local press to take it up. This led to a lot of hassle for our candidate having to deal with the issue, despite the fact that he was very clearly living at the new address, and had been for months before his nomination papers were handed in. It even got a few comments on this forum. So no, this kind of fuss about such things is not just because he is the UKIP candidate, it could have been made about a candidate of any party.
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 1, 2017 19:14:52 GMT
I think you will find that Nuttall has rented the property. Agents leave stuff up on Rightmove to encourage customers - the more properties they seem to have, the more people will come to them. Generally three quarters of property "available to let" on Rightmove is nothing of the sort. I say this as someone who was trying to rent a property not long ago. On the TV right now. "You're supposed to put your home address"; resulting in me repeatedly shouting louder and louder "No! Correspondence addresss!" It could be worse, he could have legitimately put "an address in the Stoke-on-Trent Central constituency"
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Post by cefin on Feb 1, 2017 19:34:57 GMT
Nuttall isn't amongst the brightest of people, still this does seem particularly silly. Compared to characters such as Richard North, my mate Kev, and yourself, he must be extremely dim. Those who actually campaigned for Brexit were complete and utter dullards. If only they had listened to your sagacious advice, Britain might actually be leaving the EU. Funny that you should mention 'Dim' Mostly when I was pointing out the inadequacies of so many of the idiots who pass as the main players at the head of UKIP, you then spent the next two months slagging off all and sundry echoing my own observations. Here's another one to emphasis the validity of my original assessments. As Peter Kay says " You can have this one for free' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38756037 Afraid link isn't working for whatever reason just type in Michelle Brown in the BBC news website search bar.
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Terry Weldon
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Post by Terry Weldon on Feb 1, 2017 19:42:51 GMT
Marine Le Pen is in trouble with the EU, for misuse of funds intended to support EU work, spent instead on her party. With this news, the Guardian has resurrected earlier reports that UKIP could be in trouble, over similar allegations.
Of interest to Stoke, is that the report specifically names Paul Nuttall, alongside Nigel Farrage. Allegations of financial fraud, alongside the pettier fuss about his address in the constituency, won't help his campaign one bit.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 1, 2017 19:47:34 GMT
Compared to characters such as Richard North, my mate Kev, and yourself, he must be extremely dim. Those who actually campaigned for Brexit were complete and utter dullards. If only they had listened to your sagacious advice, Britain might actually be leaving the EU. Funny that you should mention 'Dim' Mostly when I was pointing out the inadequacies of so many of the idiots who pass as the main players at the head of UKIP, you then spent the next two months slagging off all and sundry echoing my own observations. Here's another one to emphasis the validity of my original assessments. As Peter Kay says " You can have this one for free' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38756037 Afraid link isn't working for whatever reason just type in Michelle Brown in the BBC news website search bar. The link doesn't work as you added a couple of spaces to it. Just delete them and it works. funny you should mention 'Dim'...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 19:55:34 GMT
Compared to characters such as Richard North, my mate Kev, and yourself, he must be extremely dim. Those who actually campaigned for Brexit were complete and utter dullards. If only they had listened to your sagacious advice, Britain might actually be leaving the EU. Funny that you should mention 'Dim' Mostly when I was pointing out the inadequacies of so many of the idiots who pass as the main players at the head of UKIP, you then spent the next two months slagging off all and sundry echoing my own observations. Here's another one to emphasis the validity of my original assessments. As Peter Kay says " You can have this one for free' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38756037 Afraid link isn't working for whatever reason just type in Michelle Brown in the BBC news website search bar. Just out of curiosity, Kev, how many of your mates did you grass up at school for smoking behind the bike sheds? Bet you must have been the most popular kid in your class. Anyway, despite my 'dimness', I think I can just about manage to supply a link: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38756037
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 20:00:50 GMT
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 1, 2017 20:04:37 GMT
Blair's actions after leaving office have also damaged his reputation a lot. In time he'll be seen as a complex figure with good and bad aspects (which would also be the accurate assessment) but we aren't there yet. Early-stage Blairism is more or less accepted now (it's not Corbyn's cup of tea, but most of his supporters would accept it without qualms), but that's largely because it isn't really identified with Blair these days. Whereas it's difficult to see what late-stage Blairism has to offer in the current political climate (and the content wasn't appealing to many even at the time). The problem is basically the name.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 1, 2017 20:14:02 GMT
It is is pretty hard to use "guy actually has a paid job" against him in an election campaign. Elitist bastards with their jobs and everything.
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