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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 25, 2020 14:42:59 GMT
Warren has built the 2nd biggest campaign organisation (after Bloomberg) and seems determined to continue after the early states regardless of the result. "Elizabeth Warren’s campaign disclosed Friday that it has over 1,000 full-time staffers in over 31 states plus the District of Columbia in preparation for a protracted primary slog that goes well beyond the upcoming Iowa caucuses and early states. “We expect this to be a long nomination fight and have built our campaign to sustain well past Super Tuesday and stay resilient no matter what breathless media narratives come when voting begins,” wrote campaign manager Roger Lau in a memo to supporters Friday. “The four early states contests are just the beginning.” www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/elizabeth-warren-campaign-staff-strategy-1034999 candidates have said they'll stay in the race until June, which I hope is just tough talk. Biden has just picked up Iowa Rep. Cindy Axne's endorsement. Finkenauer's was presumably a bit of a boost but that came in a D+1 district; Axne's has a Republican lean, hence the hype around her since her victory in the midterms.
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Post by mboy on Jan 25, 2020 15:00:45 GMT
Of course it isn’t remotely “controversial” except among the Loony Left and Woke twitter. It’s the first sign that maybe - just maybe - Bernie is serious about doing what it takes to beat Trump and the rest of the Dems. If he would un-hook himself from the anti-Semites of Linda Sarsour’s mob I’d start to believe in him. But for now, it’s still Mayor Pete for me.
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Post by relique on Jan 25, 2020 15:33:39 GMT
In 2017, our own radical left candidate Mélenchon had used the technology candidates in India use, having rallies in different places with an hologram. Could'nt they use "hologram" Bernie in town rallies in Iowa during the hours he has free ? ;-)
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Post by mboy on Jan 25, 2020 15:39:20 GMT
Must be dawning on the Dems now that there are almost no positives from the Impeachment given that it will inevitably fail. If Bernie's big Mo continues, who will Wokahontis eventually endorse?
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Post by nelson on Jan 25, 2020 16:02:45 GMT
Warren has built the 2nd biggest campaign organisation (after Bloomberg) and seems determined to continue after the early states regardless of the result. "Elizabeth Warren’s campaign disclosed Friday that it has over 1,000 full-time staffers in over 31 states plus the District of Columbia in preparation for a protracted primary slog that goes well beyond the upcoming Iowa caucuses and early states. “We expect this to be a long nomination fight and have built our campaign to sustain well past Super Tuesday and stay resilient no matter what breathless media narratives come when voting begins,” wrote campaign manager Roger Lau in a memo to supporters Friday. “The four early states contests are just the beginning.” www.politico.com/news/2020/01/24/elizabeth-warren-campaign-staff-strategy-1034999 candidates have said they'll stay in the race until June, which I hope is just tough talk. Biden has just picked up Iowa Rep. Cindy Axne's endorsement. Finkenauer's was presumably a bit of a boost but that came in a D+1 district; Axne's has a Republican lean, hence the hype around her since her victory in the midterms. Yes, but talk is cheap. The Warren campaign has actually built up up the infrastructure to do it, but her funding will likely dry up if she flops on Super Tuesday. Usually it's lack of money rather than polling and/or results that make candidates quit the primary, so "message candidates" and self-promoters with a loyal following like Yang and Gabbard might stay in for a long time and the billionaires (and Delaney) can of course stay in as long as they feel like it. I don't think endorsements are going to matter much for Biden since he's already expected to be backed by every establishment figure. But the mayor of San Francisco London Breed (yes, that is her actual name...) has endorsed Bloomberg and the mayors of Chicago and Pittsburgh are reportedly contemplating doing likewise, and being "the city mayor's candidate" will probably boost his vote, he has also been endorsed by Vietnamese-American FL congresswoman Stephanie Murphy (born Đặng Thị Ngọc Dung) who is often trumpeted as the FL Dem's "best hope" (even if I find her rather underwhelming) and has a high media profile.
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Post by edgbaston on Jan 25, 2020 16:04:21 GMT
Must be dawning on the Dems now that there are almost no positives from the Impeachment given that it will inevitably fail. If Bernie's big Mo continues, who will Wokahontis eventually endorse? Lol
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Post by edgbaston on Jan 25, 2020 16:07:12 GMT
In 2017, our own radical left candidate Mélenchon had used the technology candidates in India use, having rallies in different places with an hologram. Could'nt they use "hologram" Bernie in town rallies in Iowa during the hours he has free ? ;-)
I assume Pelosi supports Biden, maybe she sees other benefits to this trial..
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Post by edgbaston on Jan 25, 2020 16:08:34 GMT
Perhaps Impeachment is the Democrat's Benn act. If that makes sense
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Post by edgbaston on Jan 25, 2020 16:14:09 GMT
Of course it isn’t remotely “controversial” except among the Loony Left and Woke twitter. It’s the first sign that maybe - just maybe - Bernie is serious about doing what it takes to beat Trump and the rest of the Dems. If he would un-hook himself from the anti-Semites of Linda Sarsour’s mob I’d start to believe in him. But for now, it’s still Mayor Pete for me. What do you see in him? He looks like Democratic Congressman number #14734623. I didn't know a gay could be so boring and robotic.
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Post by nelson on Jan 25, 2020 16:14:11 GMT
Must be dawning on the Dems now that there are almost no positives from the Impeachment given that it will inevitably fail. If Bernie's big Mo continues, who will Wokahontis eventually endorse? If the impeachment process ends with most independents/swing voters having a clear picture of Trump being guilty, but saved by the GOP Senators for partisan reasons it will help the Democrats, even more so if enough R senators flip that an (insufficient) Senate majority vote in favour of impeachment. If Sanders looks on track to win the nomination after Super Tuesday Warren will probably endorse him hoping for a "big job" in his administration, otherwise she'll wait until there is a nominee (a brokered convention is still a possibility so there would be no reason for her to endorse anyone if it's close).
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 25, 2020 16:17:01 GMT
In 2017, our own radical left candidate Mélenchon had used the technology candidates in India use, having rallies in different places with an hologram. Could'nt they use "hologram" Bernie in town rallies in Iowa during the hours he has free ? ;-)
I assume Pelosi supports Biden, maybe she sees other benefits to this trial.. Who she supports is immaterial; once the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community reported they whistleblowers complaint as “credible and serious” to the House Intelligence Committee the committee had no legal choice but to investigate, and the only two options available to it are a censure or impeachment. A large chunk of the Democratic caucus has been pushing for impeachment since day one and Pelosi could only hold them off for so long.
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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 25, 2020 17:14:06 GMT
In 2017, our own radical left candidate Mélenchon had used the technology candidates in India use, having rallies in different places with an hologram. Could'nt they use "hologram" Bernie in town rallies in Iowa during the hours he has free ? ;-)
I assume Pelosi supports Biden, maybe she sees other benefits to this trial.. Even if she didn't, she couldn't bank on him not being the nominee. Failing to investigate would damage his candidacy in a GE. More importantly, going from a position of being relatively confident that the impeachment process would fail to being certain that Senate Republicans would vote 100% along a party line and that voters would back Trump in the aftermath of this would provide a valuable lesson in itself. Trump is stupid and most of his damage is dealt by setting precedents for his (almost inevitable) more dangerous successors in the Republican Party, who will be nominated as long as the base remains as extreme as it is. The opposition needs to know whether democracy is really valued by the citizenry so that they can act against future authoritarians who attempt to dismantle it (some of the more drastic ways in which this could be done, e.g. civil disobedience, might have been balked at if people thought impeachment could work and hoped for that instead of taking action). Knowing the voters had little regard for what he's done here would also indicate to the Democrats the need (arguably unclear at the moment) to adopt a populist approach and dispel remaining doubt as to whether or not the party was operating within an illiberal democracy (if they were entirely confident of this, they could also operate more effectively as certain political principles could be safely disregarded).
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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 26, 2020 1:38:53 GMT
Warren has received the endorsement of the Des Moines Register in Iowa (she earned the support of the Storm Lake Times around a month earlier). Apparently this is the most important of the local newspaper endorsements, for whatever that's worth.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 26, 2020 1:48:03 GMT
Warren has received the endorsement of the Des Moines Register in Iowa (she earned the support of the Storm Lake Times around a month earlier). Apparently this is the most important of the local newspaper endorsements, for whatever that's worth. It’s debatable how much influence newspaper endorsements carry nowadays (even back in 2004 the paper that covered George W Bush’s Texas ranch endorsed John Kerry) but the Register carries a little more clout in Iowa in that it’s read Statewide rather than just in Des Moines. The same can probably be said about the Manchester Union-Leader in New Hampshire.
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Post by nelson on Jan 26, 2020 2:42:35 GMT
Warren has received the endorsement of the Des Moines Register in Iowa (she earned the support of the Storm Lake Times around a month earlier). Apparently this is the most important of the local newspaper endorsements, for whatever that's worth. It's usually worth a couple of points and since Warren is close to the 15% threshold it could make her viable in more precincts, which will harm Sanders. The editorial board's reservations about each candidate were the most negative about Sanders (but his supporters won't care) followed by Buttigieg who has support from people that may care, but fairly neutral on Biden. So the net result is probably a small boost for Biden (Sanders picks up fewer Warren delegates and Buttigieg could lose a bit to Biden). It's important that Klobuchar didn't get it, she desperately needed the attention it would have given her campaign. That also helps Biden (most of supporters have him as their back-up choice, followed by Warren).
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Post by nelson on Jan 26, 2020 5:17:44 GMT
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 26, 2020 5:36:44 GMT
Must be dawning on the Dems now that there are almost no positives from the Impeachment given that it will inevitably fail. If Bernie's big Mo continues, who will Wokahontis eventually endorse? If the impeachment process ends with most independents/swing voters having a clear picture of Trump being guilty, but saved by the GOP Senators for partisan reasons it will help the Democrats, even more so if enough R senators flip that an (insufficient) Senate majority vote in favour of impeachment. If Sanders looks on track to win the nomination after Super Tuesday Warren will probably endorse him hoping for a "big job" in his administration, otherwise she'll wait until there is a nominee (a brokered convention is still a possibility so there would be no reason for her to endorse anyone if it's close). I watched the whole of yesteday's C-Span coverage of the Trump defence team's presentation, and I can truthfully say that, on the basis of the evidence, I really can't see how any honest Democrat Senator can vote for Trump to be found guilty. Most Americans won't be interested in the detail, but this has the potential to rile up Trump supporters whilst convincing centrists that Trump's been the object of an unconstitutional witch hunt.
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Post by nelson on Jan 26, 2020 6:00:54 GMT
If the impeachment process ends with most independents/swing voters having a clear picture of Trump being guilty, but saved by the GOP Senators for partisan reasons it will help the Democrats, even more so if enough R senators flip that an (insufficient) Senate majority vote in favour of impeachment. If Sanders looks on track to win the nomination after Super Tuesday Warren will probably endorse him hoping for a "big job" in his administration, otherwise she'll wait until there is a nominee (a brokered convention is still a possibility so there would be no reason for her to endorse anyone if it's close). I watched the whole of yesteday's C-Span coverage of the Trump defence team's presentation, and I can truthfully say that, on the basis of the evidence, I really can't see how any honest Democrat Senator can vote for Trump to be found guilty. Most Americans won't be interested in the detail, but this has the potential to rile up Trump supporters whilst convincing centrists that Trump's been the object of an unconstitutional witch hunt. Well, watching his defence team's presentation is not exactly a good way to evaluate the evidence. His base will be "riled up" no matter what (Trump is a master at riling up his base), it's the Democratic turnout that matters (their base is larger than the GOP's). There is nothing unconstitutional about an impeachment trial, the phrase is meaningless in this context.
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Post by nelson on Jan 26, 2020 6:57:47 GMT
Warren has received the endorsement of the Des Moines Register in Iowa (she earned the support of the Storm Lake Times around a month earlier). Apparently this is the most important of the local newspaper endorsements, for whatever that's worth. It’s debatable how much influence newspaper endorsements carry nowadays (even back in 2004 the paper that covered George W Bush’s Texas ranch endorsed John Kerry) but the Register carries a little more clout in Iowa in that it’s read Statewide rather than just in Des Moines. The same can probably be said about the Manchester Union-Leader in New Hampshire. The Union Leader has endorsed Kobuchar.
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 26, 2020 8:57:32 GMT
If the impeachment process ends with most independents/swing voters having a clear picture of Trump being guilty, but saved by the GOP Senators for partisan reasons it will help the Democrats, even more so if enough R senators flip that an (insufficient) Senate majority vote in favour of impeachment. If Sanders looks on track to win the nomination after Super Tuesday Warren will probably endorse him hoping for a "big job" in his administration, otherwise she'll wait until there is a nominee (a brokered convention is still a possibility so there would be no reason for her to endorse anyone if it's close). I watched the whole of yesteday's C-Span coverage of the Trump defence team's presentation, and I can truthfully say that, on the basis of the evidence, I really can't see how any honest Democrat Senator can vote for Trump to be found guilty. Most Americans won't be interested in the detail, but this has the potential to rile up Trump supporters whilst convincing centrists that Trump's been the object of an unconstitutional witch hunt. Watching one half day is hardly conducive to forming a balanced opinion, there’s a consensus even amongst Republicans outside Congress that Schiff was brilliant leading the House case. Polling also suggests the opposite of your conclusions, with three polls taken during the week showing a small increase of independent voters supporting Trump’s removal from office, something that could tick up further if, in the unlikely event of four GOP growing a spine over the weekend, Senate votes to override McConnell and allow witnesses. However the trial has always been irrelevant; we already knew Trump’s base was fired up, we already knew the Democratic base was fired up (as evidenced by higher turnouts than anyone locally can remember at candidate events in Iowa). We already knew suburban women voters, and large chunks of the under-55 electorate, were fired up in opposition to Trump, and nothing has indicated a change in that. One thing that’s been noticeable is how Democrats in swingy Congressional Districts have been holding their regular Town Halls and the impeachment has hardly been mentioned, and often when it has it’s been by professionals sent in by pro or anti campaign groups from outside the District who have found themselves being heckled by the audience who have wanted to discuss other issues that matter more to them. The Trial is seemingly being viewed, possibly because of the inevitability of the outcome, as an inside the Beltway obsession (probably why, with one exception, Nancy Pelosi chose members in rock solid Districts to manage the trial leaving the rest to use a recess week to campaign in their Districts). The only people potentially being hurt by the trial are Sanders, Warren and Klobuchar who have been taken out of Iowa just at the point they want to be seen at large scale closing rallies.
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