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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2019 13:41:51 GMT
And how many on here have habitually used that language?
What's the point in stupid tit for that, there is no excuse for it either way unless you're going out of your way to be unpleasant. Not that many to be fair. Interestingly, those who do - markgoodair , Strontium Dog , cogload and the late doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ all seem to have one thing in common. Can you spot what it is? They all have two o's in their names.
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Post by lbarnes on Oct 22, 2019 13:55:05 GMT
And how many on here have habitually used that language?
What's the point in stupid tit for that, there is no excuse for it either way unless you're going out of your way to be unpleasant. Not that many to be fair. Interestingly, those who do - markgoodair , Strontium Dog , cogload and the late doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ all seem to have one thing in common. Can you spot what it is? Yes. They're all far less abusive than you.
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 22, 2019 14:14:34 GMT
My policy, which I recommend, is simply not to engage with those who resort to childish abuse. They are on the wrong site.
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 22, 2019 14:24:13 GMT
Since the leadership campaign, he had been building a centrist alliance, at the time within the Conservative party, we all thought that would be the acorn of a new political party, before he announced his intention to run for the London Mayor. His online campaign is going great guns, he is probably better known than any of the other challengers. I'm sure George Osborne in his position of editor of the Standard will be assisting him. As for ground game, he's busy rushing around London visiting every borough, so far everything is looking positive. Of course Brexit is an issue, Sian and Siobham Benita, have attacked him for enabling Brexit. He's attacked online by both sides, hopefully most Londoners will understand his compromise course on Brexit. The lack of a Brexit party candidate, helps him, as Shaun Bailey's second preference votes would mostly go to Rory, hopefully a great many second preference votes of Lib Dems will go to him to, seeing as he is constantly asked online to join the Lib Dems. I think him being an independent will help at this time when when political parties and politicians are so untrusted by people. Hopefully we will see a London poll soon though. 1. No we didn't. 2. Which may - or may not - translate into votes. 3. Esther Rantzen was widely recognised in Luton. Remind me how many votes she got? 4. Doubt it. 5. Doesn't everyone rush in London? 6. Bailey's second preferences may well be irrelevant. 7. Possibly so, but he still has the problem of building a ground operation. And he still has to finish ahead of all but one other candidate. Which, given the scale of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem party machines, is a tough nut to crack. The main beneficiary of his candidature is probably the current Mayor. Who knows what's going to happen, but I'd remind you of the significant vote for Sian Berry last time, with the Green ground operation very small in comparison to the other three main parties. And in 2000 Ken Livingston as an independent running against Frank Dobson.
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 22, 2019 14:26:38 GMT
For the moment Rory, has decided that independence is the right course of action, interesting to see how he goes in the London election, as you would expect he's being attacked by both sides in the Brexit debate. If the power of the party machines win out, maybe he will be tempted back into mainstream politics, maybe he will pursue interests new. I disliked the confrontation that Brexit above all has caused to every party, while the Greens have been more good natured than many, Brexit has been invasive and drained away everything in its path. I watched politics live earlier, Lisa Nandy & Tom Tugendhat, the gentler side of politics, can't help thinking she would make a great Labour party leader. But concern for the environment isn't something that's confined to the Green party, it's spread across the spectrum, but, the environmental agenda that the Green party is now adhering to, I feel is to tied to ideology, and doesn't allow compromise. While I like listening to John McDonnell, and agree with many of the things he says, the left of the Labour party just doesn't feel right for me, and the Blue Labour SDP politics, which I felt might be more to my taste, I find in many ways troubling too. While I like the 'idea' of Family, Faith & Flag, listening to people like Paul Embury and Co, they seem a little to the right of where I'd feel comfortable. It is the politics of as you say rural conservative paternalism, that feels like my sweet spot. I just need a party like that to exist. Lisa Nandy as Labour Party leader after saying she'll back Johnson's deal? I think not I'd suggest your party would do better to split into a Northern and Southern party, the two sides do seem far apart in many ways.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 22, 2019 14:27:58 GMT
1. No we didn't. 2. Which may - or may not - translate into votes. 3. Esther Rantzen was widely recognised in Luton. Remind me how many votes she got? 4. Doubt it. 5. Doesn't everyone rush in London? 6. Bailey's second preferences may well be irrelevant. 7. Possibly so, but he still has the problem of building a ground operation. And he still has to finish ahead of all but one other candidate. Which, given the scale of the Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem party machines, is a tough nut to crack. The main beneficiary of his candidature is probably the current Mayor. Who knows what's going to happen, but I'd remind you of the significant vote for Sian Berry last time, with the Green ground operation very small in comparison to the other three main parties. And in 2000 Ken Livingston as an independent running against Frank Dobson. Not sure that the Lib Dems could mount much of a ground operation in 2016 outside a very few areas, plus they were deeply unfashionable after the coalition. I can't see Berry pulling off a result as good as that next time.
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 22, 2019 14:39:04 GMT
Who knows what's going to happen, but I'd remind you of the significant vote for Sian Berry last time, with the Green ground operation very small in comparison to the other three main parties. And in 2000 Ken Livingston as an independent running against Frank Dobson. Not sure that the Lib Dems could mount much of a ground operation in 2016 outside a very few areas, plus they were deeply unfashionable after the coalition. I can't see Berry pulling off a result as good as that next time. I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 22, 2019 14:41:16 GMT
Not sure that the Lib Dems could mount much of a ground operation in 2016 outside a very few areas, plus they were deeply unfashionable after the coalition. I can't see Berry pulling off a result as good as that next time. I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart. What does that mean ?
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 22, 2019 14:44:56 GMT
I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart. What does that mean ? The Nick Clegg figure, the person who got second preference votes from all quarters. The person who transcended party and political spectrum, the housewives choice.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 22, 2019 14:49:57 GMT
The Nick Clegg figure, the person who got second preference votes from all quarters. The person who transcended party and political spectrum, the housewives choice. Well, I think she's been rumbled since then. And I don't think Rory Stewart would be able to make quite the same pitch to the public.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 22, 2019 14:55:15 GMT
She got 5.8% of first preferences so she wasn't the choice of many housewives clearly. Second preferences are pretty meaningless when they're cast for a fringe candidate. Haven't got data to hand (not sure it is even available) but suspect most of her second preferences came from Labour voters. From what I can recall, the patterns of Green party support was pretty much what it usually is and what you would expect it to be (ie I don;t recall a notable surge in Green support amongst 'housewives' in eg Upminster or Sidcup)
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 22, 2019 15:01:08 GMT
Not sure that the Lib Dems could mount much of a ground operation in 2016 outside a very few areas, plus they were deeply unfashionable after the coalition. I can't see Berry pulling off a result as good as that next time. I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart. "The people's candidate" - what a mind-numbingly, sanctimoniously horrendous phrase. Can it please never ever be used again. On top of which, surely the People's candidate is the one who got the most votes...
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 22, 2019 15:07:09 GMT
I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart. "The people's candidate" - what a mind-numbingly, sanctimoniously horrendous phrase. Can it please never ever be used again. On top of which, surely the People's candidate is the one who got the most votes... Reminds me of Blair describing New Labour as the political will of the British people..
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Post by hedgehog on Oct 22, 2019 15:13:21 GMT
I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart. "The people's candidate" - what a mind-numbingly, sanctimoniously horrendous phrase. Can it please never ever be used again. On top of which, surely the People's candidate is the one who got the most votes... So in a large number of elections the peoples candidate would be the candidate that spent the most money, (not in the Shetland of course).
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Post by Strontium Dog on Oct 22, 2019 15:23:30 GMT
And how many on here have habitually used that language?
What's the point in stupid tit for that, there is no excuse for it either way unless you're going out of your way to be unpleasant. Not that many to be fair. Interestingly, those who do - markgoodair , Strontium Dog , cogload and the late doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ all seem to have one thing in common. Can you spot what it is? I presume you have some evidence of me referring to Leave voters in those terms (some of which a quick forum search shows I've never even used here)? I mean, I've no doubt whatsoever that such an accusation has been pulled from the same suppurating rectum that most of my critics utilise, but it's only fair to give someone the opportunity to back their claims up.
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 22, 2019 15:25:26 GMT
"The people's candidate" - what a mind-numbingly, sanctimoniously horrendous phrase. Can it please never ever be used again. On top of which, surely the People's candidate is the one who got the most votes... So in a large number of elections the peoples candidate would be the candidate that spent the most money, (not in the Shetland of course). No - I would prefer the term never ever to be used again...
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 22, 2019 15:57:15 GMT
And how many on here have habitually used that language?
What's the point in stupid tit for that, there is no excuse for it either way unless you're going out of your way to be unpleasant. Not that many to be fair. Interestingly, those who do - markgoodair , Strontium Dog , cogload and the late doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ all seem to have one thing in common. Can you spot what it is? Three Lib Dems and a Preston Bus Station Appreciation Party ...
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 22, 2019 15:59:56 GMT
The Nick Clegg figure, the person who got second preference votes from all quarters. The person who transcended party and political spectrum, the housewives choice. But second preferences (which aren't really second preferences at all under the crazy voting system) only matter if you finish in the top two. And definitely don't count when you poll 5.8% against 44% and 35% for the two leading candidates.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 22, 2019 16:06:24 GMT
I'd suggest Sian was the people's candidate last time, I think there's a good chance this time the people's candidate will be Rory Stewart. "The people's candidate" - what a mind-numbingly, sanctimoniously horrendous phrase. Can it please never ever be used again. On top of which, surely the People's candidate is the one who got the most votes... Perhaps it's whoever got the most votes from the right sort of people ...
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 22, 2019 16:10:53 GMT
The Nick Clegg figure, the person who got second preference votes from all quarters. The person who transcended party and political spectrum, the housewives choice. But second preferences (which aren't really second preferences at all under the crazy voting system) only matter if you finish in the top two. And definitely don't count when you poll 5.8% against 44% and 35% for the two leading candidates. There are a number of posters in this discussion who don't seem to have a clue about how the election actually works. Our Scottish Whig was waffling something about quotas earlier...
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