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Post by andrew111 on Oct 22, 2019 9:41:08 GMT
@skybluecolu can you explain why you use the term “remoaner”? As far as I can see it does nothing but coarsen the debate, and makes the world a slightly worse place. It isn’t going to change anyones mind, it may well annoy some people enough to make them respond in kind, again making things worse. So, apart from wanting to be unpleasant to people - which is not a particularly laudable aim - why? This from the representative of a party which campaigns on a slogan "Bollocks to Brexit". I know that sanctimony is your party's USP, but on this matter I really think you should spare us It seems this sanctimony is catching... (he said sanctimoniously)
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Post by andrew111 on Oct 22, 2019 9:46:12 GMT
It's a matter of style and opinions really. Personally I'd prefer someone to be very rude to me and then vote, for example, Conservative, than some be nice to my face and then vote, for example, fascist. 👽 I can be rude to you if you like so long as I am not obliged to vote Conservative afterwards!
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 22, 2019 9:59:28 GMT
Regardless of all the above, the ignorance of describing Stewart as a "remoaner" is not altered.
(even if it was reciprocated on the other side of the divide by all the #FBPEers who made him into a mascot - before Saturday, anyway)
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Post by jamie on Oct 22, 2019 10:58:39 GMT
Regardless of all the above, the ignorance of describing Stewart as a "remoaner" is not altered. (even if it was reciprocated on the other side of the divide by all the #FBPEers who made him into a mascot - before Saturday, anyway) Remember the talk about the Lib Dems standing aside for ex-Conservatives like him who oppose a 2nd referendum while simultaneously barracking Labour who support a 2nd referendum for not being remain enough?
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Post by johnloony on Oct 22, 2019 11:23:24 GMT
@skybluecolu can you explain why you use the term “remoaner”? As far as I can see it does nothing but coarsen the debate, and makes the world a slightly worse place. It isn’t going to change anyones mind, it may well annoy some people enough to make them respond in kind, again making things worse. So, apart from wanting to be unpleasant to people - which is not a particularly laudable aim - why? The reason why the vast majority of ordinary normal decent Leave voters refer to the Remoaners as "Remoaners" is because they are not just ordinary remain voters. They are a small minority of remain voters who do not accept the democratic result of the referendum, they constantly moan and complain about the fact that the people made a democratic decision to leave, and they are systematically engaged in a continuous and ongoing process of trying to reverse and sabotage the result of the referendum. It is quite right to refer to them as Remoaners in order to highlight the fact that they have such contempt for democracy .
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 22, 2019 11:27:51 GMT
Fundamental problem for leave people is that the 2016 referendum was not a decision. It may have produced a result but it did not decide the issue.
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Post by Strontium Dog on Oct 22, 2019 11:46:40 GMT
@skybluecolu can you explain why you use the term “remoaner”? As far as I can see it does nothing but coarsen the debate, and makes the world a slightly worse place. It isn’t going to change anyones mind, it may well annoy some people enough to make them respond in kind, again making things worse. So, apart from wanting to be unpleasant to people - which is not a particularly laudable aim - why? It's not enough for them to strip our rights away, they need to mock our anguish at having our rights stripped away too. That is, after all, the entire point of the exercise.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Oct 22, 2019 11:46:59 GMT
@skybluecolu can you explain why you use the term “remoaner”? As far as I can see it does nothing but coarsen the debate, and makes the world a slightly worse place. It isn’t going to change anyones mind, it may well annoy some people enough to make them respond in kind, again making things worse. So, apart from wanting to be unpleasant to people - which is not a particularly laudable aim - why? There is a fair bit of that sort of thing about CK and 'Remoaner' is far from the worst of it. On the LD side (certainly not you and many others) there are more toxic posts than by any other party and a lot of sheer nastiness in references to Johnson and Brexit people in general. There is much wrong with the attitude of your own team for caustic terms and personal remarks. Personally, I tend to assume the worst of people who use: Remoaner Brexshiteers ZanuLabour Bliar Camorons etc etc etc [And, yes, I did use the word gammon yesterday. To describe a particular type of person, not Leavers in general. In the same post I also ridiculed extreme Remainers.]
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 22, 2019 11:52:43 GMT
@skybluecolu can you explain why you use the term “remoaner”? As far as I can see it does nothing but coarsen the debate, and makes the world a slightly worse place. It isn’t going to change anyones mind, it may well annoy some people enough to make them respond in kind, again making things worse. So, apart from wanting to be unpleasant to people - which is not a particularly laudable aim - why? It's not enough for them to strip our rights away, they need to mock our anguish at having our rights stripped away too. That is, after all, the entire point of the exercise. It is a bit clunky as a description, but that rather goes with LD territory! However, pleased to admit...... 'Anguish-Mocking Rights-Stripper' Out and Proud. And seeking ever more rights to proudly strip away, whilst keeping up the mockery. There! You can't say we Brexiteers can't do two things at the same time.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 22, 2019 11:55:39 GMT
Zanu Labour... That's one from a while back.
Also, people who thought it was hilarious to refer to George Osborne as Gideon.
They all remind of a Private Eye thing from the time of the Iraq War, mocking the various celebrities for posturing about it. The one that sticks in my mind is the comment from "Ricky Cheese, presenter of talk show Hard Cheese", whose comment was: "Blair yeah? Adolf Blair yeah? Think about it".
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 22, 2019 11:56:18 GMT
It's not enough for them to strip our rights away, they need to mock our anguish at having our rights stripped away too. That is, after all, the entire point of the exercise. It is a bit clunky as a description, but that rather goes with LD territory! However, pleased to admit...... 'Anguish-Mocking Rights-Stripper' Out and Proud. And seeking ever more rights to proudly strip away, whilst keeping up the mockery. There! You can't say we Brexiteers can't do two things at the same time. <mode=Daffy Duck>You're despicable</mode>
Actually, on reflection I believe you are becoming increasingly unbalanced in your old age, and I hope to gawd that I never end up like you.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 22, 2019 12:01:36 GMT
There is a fair bit of that sort of thing about CK and 'Remoaner' is far from the worst of it. On the LD side (certainly not you and many others) there are more toxic posts than by any other party and a lot of sheer nastiness in references to Johnson and Brexit people in general. There is much wrong with the attitude of your own team for caustic terms and personal remarks. Personally, I tend to assume the worst of people who use: Remoaner Brexshiteers ZanuLabour Bliar Camorons etc etc etc [And, yes, I did use the word gammon yesterday. To describe a particular type of person, not Leavers in general. In the same post I also ridiculed extreme Remainers.] I have used three of those myself in the past, at a time when there was 'a lot of it about'! Unedifying, but within the spectrum, pretty harmless. Never came across Camorons even once? We used Cameroons against him as a sort of cod Scottish slur with connection to Loon, and I think it suited and probably caused him offence, which was the very purpose. None of this really matters does it? What matters is the nasty toxic element in your party (and yes it is mainly your party on this Forum) forever making nasty personal remarks about other members on the Forum and about our politicians. It is very much a trait of a faction here in the LDs.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 22, 2019 12:08:44 GMT
It is a bit clunky as a description, but that rather goes with LD territory! However, pleased to admit...... 'Anguish-Mocking Rights-Stripper' Out and Proud. And seeking ever more rights to proudly strip away, whilst keeping up the mockery. There! You can't say we Brexiteers can't do two things at the same time. <mode=Daffy Duck>You're despicable</mode>
Actually, on reflection I believe you are becoming increasingly unbalanced in your old age, and I hope to gawd that I never end up like you.
"You haven't mastered the art of humour yet, have you Chris?" If I am regarded a 'becoming increasingly unbalanced' (surely this is yet another LD infraction on the protocols about mental health......but that's what LDs do isn't it?) then the rest of the world is in deep do-do!
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2019 12:11:59 GMT
It is a bit clunky as a description, but that rather goes with LD territory! However, pleased to admit...... 'Anguish-Mocking Rights-Stripper' Out and Proud. And seeking ever more rights to proudly strip away, whilst keeping up the mockery. There! You can't say we Brexiteers can't do two things at the same time. <mode=Daffy Duck>You're despicable</mode>
Actually, on reflection I believe you are becoming increasingly unbalanced in your old age, and I hope to gawd that I never end up like you.
Well that can't be guaranteed, but we'll all keep an eye on the situation.
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 22, 2019 12:39:23 GMT
It is a bit clunky as a description, but that rather goes with LD territory! However, pleased to admit...... 'Anguish-Mocking Rights-Stripper' Out and Proud. And seeking ever more rights to proudly strip away, whilst keeping up the mockery. There! You can't say we Brexiteers can't do two things at the same time. <mode=Daffy Duck>You're despicable</mode>
Actually, on reflection I believe you are becoming increasingly unbalanced in your old age, and I hope to gawd that I never end up like you.
CALLING Crimson KingWell is this better than the general term Remoaner? Remoaner is generalist and not specific to any one person. The post quoted (from a LD of course) is personal and abusive. Understand our point now?
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 22, 2019 12:48:45 GMT
<mode=Daffy Duck>You're despicable</mode>
Actually, on reflection I believe you are becoming increasingly unbalanced in your old age, and I hope to gawd that I never end up like you.
Well that can't be guaranteed, but we'll all keep an eye on the situation. No! There is not a chance of it Finso! He has left it far too late in life to make up such a massive necessary improvement in his life and conduct.
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 22, 2019 12:59:58 GMT
So, the answer seems to be, mainly, "you are nasty to us so we will be nasty to you" It is probably trite and a little old fashioned to point out that as my mum always told me "two wrongs don't make a right" I'll go with "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" It must be possible to debate important matters without resorting to either abuse or childishness. Not to do so makes things (including politics as a whole) worse not better (and I don't share @boogieeck 's optimism that it will all revert to sweetness and light in a few weeks, or however long it takes)
As for sanctimony, I would say the same to anyone from either side (and probably will in future just to be annoying) but I decline to take responsibility for the words of my party colleagues, let alone all remain voters. If I have personally been responsible for such behavior I am happy to have it pointed out to me and I will apologise and withdraw.
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 22, 2019 13:22:21 GMT
Perhaps it’s a knee-jerk reaction to the incessant use of “gammon”, xenophobes, racists, bigots, morons, etc to describe Leave voters? And how many on here have habitually used that language? What's the point in stupid tit for that, there is no excuse for it either way unless you're going out of your way to be unpleasant.
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 22, 2019 13:35:58 GMT
So now this seems to be an argument about not being offensive to each other.....
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 22, 2019 13:40:17 GMT
Perhaps it’s a knee-jerk reaction to the incessant use of “gammon”, xenophobes, racists, bigots, morons, etc to describe Leave voters? And how many on here have habitually used that language?
What's the point in stupid tit for that, there is no excuse for it either way unless you're going out of your way to be unpleasant. Not that many to be fair. Interestingly, those who do - markgoodair , Strontium Dog , cogload and the late doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ all seem to have one thing in common. Can you spot what it is?
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