john07
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Post by john07 on Oct 2, 2023 16:17:54 GMT
Remember that the ULEZ expansion happens in less than three weeks' time, and if there are (as suspected) lots of people who think they have to pay it but don't, the ULEZ protest may quickly stop being a major electoral factor. That was the case with the Edinburgh Congestion Charge Referendum in 2005. It was rejected by nearly 75% despite the fact that it would not impact on the vast majority of those eligible to vote. It was likely to affect those who travelled into Edinburgh from beyond the City bypass. When it comes to a referendum, never underestimate the stupidity of those eligible to vote! |
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Oct 2, 2023 17:41:09 GMT
Remember that the ULEZ expansion happens in less than three weeks' time, and if there are (as suspected) lots of people who think they have to pay it but don't, the ULEZ protest may quickly stop being a major electoral factor. That was the case with the Edinburgh Congestion Charge Referendum in 2005. It was rejected by nearly 75% despite the fact that it would not impact on the vast majority of those eligible to vote. It was likely to affect those who travelled into Edinburgh from beyond the City bypass. When it comes to a referendum, never underestimate the stupidity of those eligible to vote!
Stupidity in what way?
Just because they don't agree with you?
Congestion charges / Climate zones are a tax designed to catch out those who are from out of the area. I won't drive to Birmingham (for example) to a concert, if said concert is in their climate zone, Birmingham is losing out on my money cities that don't have one that charges private motorists. Voting against such a zone as it will economically damage city doesn't seem sensible to me, but then I prefer thriving local economies, which puts me at odds with modern politicians and their political parties.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 2, 2023 18:06:25 GMT
Remember that the ULEZ expansion happens in less than three weeks' time, and if there are (as suspected) lots of people who think they have to pay it but don't, the ULEZ protest may quickly stop being a major electoral factor. That was the case with the Edinburgh Congestion Charge Referendum in 2005. It was rejected by nearly 75% despite the fact that it would not impact on the vast majority of those eligible to vote. It was likely to affect those who travelled into Edinburgh from beyond the City bypass. When it comes to a referendum, never underestimate the stupidity of those eligible to vote! Is it possible that the people not impacted by it were the ones not voting? (I don’t know what the turnout was?) Is it possible that people voted according to the principle, rather than their own pocket? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 2, 2023 19:03:03 GMT
That was the case with the Edinburgh Congestion Charge Referendum in 2005. It was rejected by nearly 75% despite the fact that it would not impact on the vast majority of those eligible to vote. It was likely to affect those who travelled into Edinburgh from beyond the City bypass. When it comes to a referendum, never underestimate the stupidity of those eligible to vote!
Stupidity in what way?
Just because they don't agree with you?
Congestion charges / Climate zones are a tax designed to catch out those who are from out of the area. I won't drive to Birmingham (for example) to a concert, if said concert is in their climate zone, Birmingham is losing out on my money cities that don't have one that charges private motorists. Voting against such a zone as it will economically damage city doesn't seem sensible to me, but then I prefer thriving local economies, which puts me at odds with modern politicians and their political parties.
I hadn't thought of it that way but actually I'm not all that opposed to the idea of a tourist tax. We've got a problem in this country that increasingly people are moving to the big cities because that's where the work is. It leads to a huge disparity between the big cities and the rest of the UK causing a brain drain in rural England. It's probably time that is rectified and local business is local |
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 2, 2023 22:43:45 GMT
Remember that the ULEZ expansion happens in less than three weeks' time, and if there are (as suspected) lots of people who think they have to pay it but don't, the ULEZ protest may quickly stop being a major electoral factor. That was the case with the Edinburgh Congestion Charge Referendum in 2005. It was rejected by nearly 75% despite the fact that it would not impact on the vast majority of those eligible to vote. It was likely to affect those who travelled into Edinburgh from beyond the City bypass. When it comes to a referendum, never underestimate the stupidity of those eligible to vote! Nice to witness the clarity and composure of a determined anti-Democrat in full voice, defending the right of the, 'entitled sensible peiple' to run rough-shod over the ordinary people. Here I am on the side of the people and feel they were quite obviously correct. But as a fellow anti-Democrat I warmly support my colleague john07 . |
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Post by batman on Oct 3, 2023 2:18:32 GMT
This is of course just a forum for sounding off or discussing elections, not a campaigning tool. Nevertheless I have always felt that insulting the electorate is not the best policy. When you lose you have to attempt to learn the lessons of defeat so as not to be defeated again in future.
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weld
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Post by weld on Oct 3, 2023 5:25:34 GMT
This is of course just a forum for sounding off or discussing elections, not a campaigning tool. Nevertheless I have always felt that insulting the electorate is not the best policy. When you lose you have to attempt to learn the lessons of defeat so as not to be defeated again in future. This. Surely people have learned from Emily Thornberry’s infamous “Meanwhile in Rochester” tweet. |
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Oct 3, 2023 6:04:08 GMT
This is of course just a forum for sounding off or discussing elections, not a campaigning tool. Nevertheless I have always felt that insulting the electorate is not the best policy. When you lose you have to attempt to learn the lessons of defeat so as not to be defeated again in future. This. Surely people have learned from Emily Thornberry’s infamous “Meanwhile in Rochester” tweet.
It's human nature not to learn from mistakes, ones own or those of others.
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 3, 2023 10:49:20 GMT
This is of course just a forum for sounding off or discussing elections, not a campaigning tool. Nevertheless I have always felt that insulting the electorate is not the best policy. When you lose you have to attempt to learn the lessons of defeat so as not to be defeated again in future. This. Surely people have learned from Emily Thornberry’s infamous “Meanwhile in Rochester” tweet. 'image from Rochester' |
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Post by weld on Oct 3, 2023 10:58:36 GMT
This. Surely people have learned from Emily Thornberry’s infamous “Meanwhile in Rochester” tweet. 'image from Rochester' Who's more infamous? The trigger-happy tweeting politician, or the 26-year old who misquotes her?  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 3, 2023 11:16:02 GMT
This. Surely people have learned from Emily Thornberry’s infamous “Meanwhile in Rochester” tweet. 'image from Rochester' Indeed. Emily Thornberry didn't actually write anything patronising or insulting. Nor did she imply anything patronising or insulting. The widespread assumption that this was what she must think was one born of people stereotyping her. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 3, 2023 11:29:54 GMT
Indeed. Emily Thornberry didn't actually write anything patronising or insulting. Nor did she imply anything patronising or insulting. The widespread assumption that this was what she must think was one born of people stereotyping her. While this may be true Ed Miliband seemed to think it was enough to basically remove her from the Shadow Cabinet at the time |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 3, 2023 11:52:35 GMT
Yes, because of the hysterical reaction more generally - including within the party.
(one Labour MP reportedly screamed at Miliband that the party was "finished" if he didn't sack her)
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 3, 2023 12:58:51 GMT
Indeed. Emily Thornberry didn't actually write anything patronising or insulting. Nor did she imply anything patronising or insulting. The widespread assumption that this was what she must think was one born of people stereotyping her. While this may be true Ed Miliband seemed to think it was enough to basically remove her from the Shadow Cabinet at the time an opportunity to flex political strength |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 3, 2023 12:59:33 GMT
Yes, because of the hysterical reaction more generally - including within the party. (one Labour MP reportedly screamed at Miliband that the party was "finished" if he didn't sack her) John Mann? |
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weld
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Post by weld on Oct 3, 2023 13:46:24 GMT
This. Surely people have learned from Emily Thornberry’s infamous “Meanwhile in Rochester” tweet. 'image from Rochester' I've never understood the tweet or it's purpose! Might it have been better for Labour if Emily Thornberry had lost Islington South & Finsbury in 2005? Maybe Emily would've been more humble and less likely to tweet such odd things that make no sense. I know my first defeat in the 2018 Oxford Union election was humbling for me. I hold no prejudices against her, she went to a grammar school like my father and sister. I wish more had that opportunity but alas that world has gone for many. Back to this seat, if the Tories repeat the swing they got in 2021, the win it. Funnily enough, if you repeat the 2021 swing in London, the Conservatives pick up this seat, Labour gains West Central (I wonder how likely Davıd Boothroyd thinks that is or what the mood on the ground is) and the LDs nab South West from the Tories. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Oct 3, 2023 13:57:42 GMT
I've never understood the tweet or it's purpose! Might it have been better for Labour if Emily Thornberry had lost Islington South & Finsbury in 2005? Maybe Emily would've been more humble and less likely to tweet such odd things that make no sense. I know my first defeat in the 2018 Oxford Union election was humbling for me. I hold no prejudices against her, she went to a grammar school like my father and sister. I wish more had that opportunity but alas that world has gone for many. Back to this seat, if the Tories repeat the swing they got in 2021, the win it. Funnily enough, if you repeat the 2021 swing in London, the Conservatives pick up this seat, Labour gains West Central (I wonder how likely Davıd Boothroyd thinks that is or what the mood on the ground is) and the LDs nab South West from the Tories. it was 2014 and someone who had little experience with social media wrote a tweet describing a photo she took |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Nov 1, 2023 21:54:29 GMT
Reform UK candidate is Luke Wates (is also parliamentary spokesman for Cities of London and Westminster).
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andrea
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Post by andrea on Nov 2, 2023 23:06:08 GMT
Labour is having an open selection for the candidacy here as Onkar Sahota has been triggered. He lost the automatic reelection vote in Ealing Central and Acton CLP, Ealing North CLP and Hayes and Harlington CLP.
Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner CLP decided it couldn't care less and didn't meet. Ealing Southall CLP and Uxbridge and South Ruislip CLP are suspended and can't vote.
At least one affiliate voted for open selection but it wasn't revealed by the press which one.
Ealing Cllr Bassam Mahfouz has emerged as one of the challengers.
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weld
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Post by weld on Nov 3, 2023 6:41:56 GMT
Labour is having an open selection for the candidacy here as Onkar Sahota has been triggered. He lost the automatic reelection vote in Ealing Central and Acton CLP, Ealing North CLP and Hayes and Harlington CLP. Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner CLP decided it couldn't care less and didn't meet. Ealing Southall CLP and Uxbridge and South Ruislip CLP are suspended and can't vote. At least one affiliate voted for open selection but it wasn't revealed by the press which one. Ealing Cllr Bassam Mahfouz has emerged as one of the challengers. That doesn’t bode well for Labour’s chances here, IMO. |
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