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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 31, 2020 10:14:51 GMT
I find it odd that so many people either side of the border have never been to the other. But then you could say that in England alone. Anyway, it reminds me of the following stories of geographical madness. 1. A young DW is working, cleaning the loos at a well-known large shopping mall in the North West when he receives his offer for university. A colleague helpfully explains that Southerners are all dead posh, he knows this for a fact even though he isn't sure, and insists that Southerners drink champagne with strawberries in it as their go-to drink. When asked where Darn Sarf he'd seen this, he replied that he'd only been there once, to... Derby. 2. Mrs DW is working in Bratfut, and gets a taxi to the station from the office. The driver ascertains that she is from Darn Sarf, even though she has an inherited North East lilt as her mother was a Sandancer. He informs her that he went on holiday once Darn Sarf, for a fortnight, and he didn't like it. It turned out that he had a two-week holiday in...Welwyn Garden City. 3. I once ran a quiz in Hampshire, and asked the question "which Football League team is not named after a real place?" The answer was Port Vale. One bloke tried to argue with me, insisting there was no such place as Crewe. How would you have treated the answer 'Arsenal'? Named after the Woolwich Arsenal, so still valid. Whereas Port Vale are named after a string of river ports that were planned but not built.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2020 12:01:50 GMT
I think you're a tit. No doubt fire and brimstone will rain down upon my house at the stroke of eleven tomorrow night. Are you just a parody account now? Just to be clear, you're the one who said you'd be laughing at my misery, so I think I know who the tit is here. I see this needless aggression from Brexiteers everywhere. You won, get over it. You’re telling me to “get over it” as a member of the party who have made refusing to get over Brexit their hill to die on? 😂
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Post by afleitch on Jan 31, 2020 15:26:21 GMT
Support is at 65% amongst under 50's. It is a demographic bomb in Scotland as much as it is in Northern Ireland.
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Post by clyde1998 on Feb 3, 2020 18:56:15 GMT
Survation/Progress Scotland (20-22 January) - linkShould Scotland be an independent country?Yes 45.1% (-0.9 on 10-11 Dec 2019) No 44.8% (-2.5) DK 9.6% (+3.9) Excluding undecidedYes 50.2% (+0.9) No 49.8% (-0.9) Scottish Parliament constituency/list
SNP 50.9%/38.3% (+8.3/+5.8 on 1-4 Mar 2019) Con 23.4%/21.4% (-1.1/-1.0) Lab 17.0%/19.0% (-5.1/-0.4) Lib 7.4%/8.8% (-1.5/-2.1) Grn -/9.2% (-/+1.7) Brx -/1.9% (-/na) UKIP -/1.3% (-/-1.8) Oth 1.3%/0.2% (-0.7/-0.7) Scottish Parliament seats estimateSNP - 63 (nc) Con - 23 (-8) Lab - 22 (-2) Grn - 11 (+5) Lib - 10 (+5) I should say with the Scottish Parliament vote, Survation ask a question that refers to the constituency vote as the 'first vote' and the list vote as the 'second vote'. This may confuse some respondents into thinking they're being asked for a second preference - so the list figures may be different than other pollsters when compared to the constituency vote.
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Post by clyde1998 on Feb 3, 2020 21:36:01 GMT
Panelbase/ScotGoesPop (28-31 January)
Should Scotland be an independent country? Yes 49% (+5 on 3-6 Dec 2019) No 46% (-4) DK 6% (nc)
Yes 52% (+5) No 48% (-5)
Labour general election voters: Yes 35%, No 54%, DK 11%
Scottish Parliament constituency/list SNP 50%/47% (+7/+9 on 3-6 Dec 2019) Con 26%/25% (nc/-1) Lab 14%/14% (-5/-4) Lib 7%/7% (-1/-2) Grn 3%/7% (+1/+1)
Scottish Parliament seats estimate SNP 67 (+4) Con 32 (+1) Lab 17 (-7) Grn 7 (+1) Lib 6 (+1)
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Post by afleitch on Feb 4, 2020 8:42:33 GMT
50% for Holyrood? Nice.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 4, 2020 10:56:19 GMT
Lucky you. Still not getting your referendum.
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Post by afleitch on Feb 4, 2020 11:05:38 GMT
Lucky you. Still not getting your referendum. You got yours on 37%
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 4, 2020 14:58:52 GMT
Lucky you. Still not getting your referendum. You got yours on 37% When your party's incompetence on health stops killing children, then you can perhaps concern yourself with independence.
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Post by afleitch on Feb 4, 2020 15:14:07 GMT
When your party's incompetence on health stops killing children, then you can perhaps concern yourself with independence. What are you using children's deaths as constitutional pawns for? Are deaths in England or Wales fair play in the health system, or deaths due to delays in PIP payments? You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 4, 2020 15:58:23 GMT
When your party's incompetence on health stops killing children, then you can perhaps concern yourself with independence. What are you using children's deaths as constitutional pawns for? Are deaths in England or Wales fair play in the health system, or deaths due to delays in PIP payments? You should be ashamed of yourself. It's not a pawn, I'm fucking disgusted. Children are dead because of your incompetence. Yours. Instead of dealing with that you continue to moan about how much you don't like England. Fix the health service. I can't wait till next year and I get to go up against yous.
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Post by london(ex)tory on Feb 4, 2020 16:23:34 GMT
Lucky you. Still not getting your referendum. You got yours on 37% We got ours by winning control of the body that has the legal authority to grant it. If you want the chance to overturn the "once in a generation" opportunity you spunked in 2014 I suggest you try to do the same.
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Post by afleitch on Feb 4, 2020 16:31:43 GMT
What are you using children's deaths as constitutional pawns for? Are deaths in England or Wales fair play in the health system, or deaths due to delays in PIP payments? You should be ashamed of yourself. It's not a pawn, I'm fucking disgusted. Children are dead because of your incompetence. Yours. Instead of dealing with that you continue to moan about how much you don't like England. Fix the health service. I can't wait till next year and I get to go up against yous. You're still doing it! No shame. And you know you'd be the first to attack anyone who used the 'Tory policies on x have killed y' narrative. I'm not playing a game with the dead.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 4, 2020 16:45:01 GMT
It's not a pawn, I'm fucking disgusted. Children are dead because of your incompetence. Yours. Instead of dealing with that you continue to moan about how much you don't like England. Fix the health service. I can't wait till next year and I get to go up against yous. You're still doing it! No shame. And you know you'd be the first to attack anyone who used the 'Tory policies on x have killed y' narrative. I'm not playing a game with the dead. You're either trolling or don't get it. Pointing out what you've done is not playing games, its holding you to account. That's our job, we're the opposition.
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Post by afleitch on Feb 4, 2020 18:36:31 GMT
You're still doing it! No shame. And you know you'd be the first to attack anyone who used the 'Tory policies on x have killed y' narrative. I'm not playing a game with the dead. You're either trolling or don't get it. Pointing out what you've done is not playing games, its holding you to account. That's our job, we're the opposition. I know you think that pushback from anyone is trolling but I'm serious. I don't think using the death of children as a reason to oppose independence or use it for political 'sport' is ever fair game. www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/pip-waiting-time-deaths-disabled-people-die-disability-benefits-personal-independence-payment-dwp-a8727296.html%3famp17000 people have died since 2013 waiting for PIP payments. You said: 'When your party's incompetence on health stops killing children'. Would it be fair for me to say that YOUR parties policy 'killed' 17000 disabled people? No. That would be simplistic, crass and inappropriate. Deep down you know that.
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Post by clyde1998 on Feb 4, 2020 21:33:44 GMT
Panelbase/ScotGoesPop In last month's general election, the SNP won 48 of the 59 Scottish seats in the House of Commons. Do you believe this result gives the SNP a mandate from the Scottish people to hold a second independence referendum? Yes 48% No 42%
When Scotland voted against independence in the 2014 referendum, it was not known that Britain would leave the EU a few years later. Do you think Brexit is a big enough change of circumstances to justify holding a second independence referendum? Yes 52% No 41%
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 4, 2020 22:11:38 GMT
Panelbase/ScotGoesPopIn last month's general election, the SNP won 48 of the 59 Scottish seats in the House of Commons. Do you believe this result gives the SNP a mandate from the Scottish people to hold a second independence referendum?Yes 48% No 42% When Scotland voted against independence in the 2014 referendum, it was not known that Britain would leave the EU a few years later. Do you think Brexit is a big enough change of circumstances to justify holding a second independence referendum?Yes 52% No 41% Whilst I might agree with them, I think both those questions are probably slightly leading...
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Post by andrewp on Feb 4, 2020 22:17:12 GMT
Panelbase/ScotGoesPopIn last month's general election, the SNP won 48 of the 59 Scottish seats in the House of Commons. Do you believe this result gives the SNP a mandate from the Scottish people to hold a second independence referendum?Yes 48% No 42% When Scotland voted against independence in the 2014 referendum, it was not known that Britain would leave the EU a few years later. Do you think Brexit is a big enough change of circumstances to justify holding a second independence referendum?Yes 52% No 41% Whilst I might agree with them, I think both those questions are probably slightly leading... Just a bit leading.....
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 4, 2020 22:34:16 GMT
Whilst I might agree with them, I think both those questions are probably slightly leading... Just a bit leading..... 😉
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Post by afleitch on Feb 5, 2020 11:28:05 GMT
SNP incompetence in government is no reason to oppose Independence. An Independent Scotland might be governed by a party other than the SNP, or by those SNP parliamentarians currently employed in Westminster. But by God, they are incompetent. An independent Scotland would not need the SNP. Your lot might actually get a chance to run things. Everything. But I know from experience the Union is more important than operating ideological Conservatism in Scotland, even if by being in the Union, Scotland never elects a government to do it.
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