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Post by Eastwood on Dec 13, 2019 12:48:13 GMT
The Tories were generally right that their vote was holding up ok, guess they just didn't pick up the Labour-SNP swing as well as the rise in turnout. I’d quite a few voters in my polling station saying this was the first time they’d voted for many years. Surprised me given we’ve had the two referenda.
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Post by greenchristian on Dec 13, 2019 17:32:01 GMT
The Tories were generally right that their vote was holding up ok, guess they just didn't pick up the Labour-SNP swing as well as the rise in turnout. I’d quite a few voters in my polling station saying this was the first time they’d voted for many years. Surprised me given we’ve had the two referenda. This may be a case of false recall.
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Post by andrew111 on Dec 16, 2019 23:14:38 GMT
I think the Conservatives will hold Aberdeen South quite easily. Have you eaten your hat Sandy?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 23:18:28 GMT
I think the Conservatives will hold Aberdeen South quite easily. Have you eaten your hat Sandy? Not yet, I'm not sure I would be able to keep it in my mouth without spitting it out from laughing at the Lib Dem misery.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Dec 17, 2019 0:13:33 GMT
Have you eaten your hat Sandy? Not yet, I'm not sure I would be able to keep it in my mouth without spitting it out from laughing at the Lib Dem misery. Who's miserable? We got a 1-1 draw with the SNP. Your lot lost 7-0.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 0:17:32 GMT
Not yet, I'm not sure I would be able to keep it in my mouth without spitting it out from laughing at the Lib Dem misery. Who's miserable? We got a 1-1 draw with the SNP. Your lot lost 7-0. Your leader lost your seat and you made no progress at a UK level, gaining virtually none of your target seats and ending up with a net loss? The Scottish results were a wee bit shit but they could've been worse, and it is hard to get upset about it with our stonking overall result.
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Post by andrew111 on Dec 21, 2019 14:16:18 GMT
Who's miserable? We got a 1-1 draw with the SNP. Your lot lost 7-0. Your leader lost your seat and you made no progress at a UK level, gaining virtually none of your target seats and ending up with a net loss? The Scottish results were a wee bit shit but they could've been worse, and it is hard to get upset about it with our stonking overall result. Well, you know Sandy I am used to my Party being screwed over by FPTP and the media so have given up making foolish predictions (mostly). Hence I don't have to eat my hat. Biggest increase in vote share of any Party is also progress. And of course as usual most voters decided not to support the Tories and most voters presumably therefore no longer want Brexit "done".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 14:23:18 GMT
Your leader lost your seat and you made no progress at a UK level, gaining virtually none of your target seats and ending up with a net loss? The Scottish results were a wee bit shit but they could've been worse, and it is hard to get upset about it with our stonking overall result. Well, you know Sandy I am used to my Party being screwed over by FPTP and the media so have given up making foolish predictions (mostly). Hence I don't have to eat my hat. Biggest increase in vote share of any Party is also progress. And of course as usual most voters decided not to support the Tories and most voters presumably therefore no longer want Brexit "done". “Our manifesto wasn’t shit, it wasn’t that the electorate didn’t like our leader, or our arrogant, sanctimonious assumption that we know what’s best for you, it was the electoral system’s fault that we were humiliated at the ballot box” Sod off!!!!
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Post by afleitch on Jan 7, 2020 13:23:42 GMT
Curiously, the last YouGov had Westminster and Holyrood constituency voting figures close to the same. Panelbase, which was the worst performer in Scotland at the GE, had a bigger difference between the two figures. Their Holyrood figures were actually the closest to the GE result. Given that those figures were derived from the same pool of voters asked, there was perhaps issues with both recall as well as weighting. Given Scotland wide elections in 2015, 2016 and 2017, issues with recall shouldn't be suprising.
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 12, 2020 1:30:59 GMT
Well, you know Sandy I am used to my Party being screwed over by FPTP and the media so have given up making foolish predictions (mostly). Hence I don't have to eat my hat. Biggest increase in vote share of any Party is also progress. And of course as usual most voters decided not to support the Tories and most voters presumably therefore no longer want Brexit "done". “Our manifesto wasn’t shit, it wasn’t that the electorate didn’t like our leader, or our arrogant, sanctimonious assumption that we know what’s best for you, it was the electoral system’s fault that we were humiliated at the ballot box” Sod off!!!! If you look at the Ashcroft Poll the Lib Dems would have got about 18% if people had voted how they wanted, Tories maybe 40% and Labour maybe 25%. I happily accept that my Party is less popular than yours if you accept yours does not have a proper mandate to govern from the British people. That way we might make some progress in our system of government and the way people think about Parliament.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 11:56:41 GMT
“Our manifesto wasn’t shit, it wasn’t that the electorate didn’t like our leader, or our arrogant, sanctimonious assumption that we know what’s best for you, it was the electoral system’s fault that we were humiliated at the ballot box” Sod off!!!! If you look at the Ashcroft Poll the Lib Dems would have got about 18% if people had voted how they wanted, Tories maybe 40% and Labour maybe 25%. I happily accept that my Party is less popular than yours if you accept yours does not have a proper mandate to govern from the British people. That way we might make some progress in our system of government and the way people think about Parliament. I don’t care if you accept that your party is less popular than ours or not, we got 43%, you got 11%. A five year old could tell you which party is more popular. Electoral reform won’t change that. Maybe you should accept that people just didn’t like your manifesto instead of looking for other factors to blame?
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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 12, 2020 16:32:23 GMT
If you look at the Ashcroft Poll the Lib Dems would have got about 18% if people had voted how they wanted, Tories maybe 40% and Labour maybe 25%. I happily accept that my Party is less popular than yours if you accept yours does not have a proper mandate to govern from the British people. That way we might make some progress in our system of government and the way people think about Parliament. I don’t care if you accept that your party is less popular than ours or not, we got 43%, you got 11%. A five year old could tell you which party is more popular. Electoral reform won’t change that.Maybe you should accept that people just didn’t like your manifesto instead of looking for other factors to blame? Why not? Electoral reform could have huge ramifications for the political system as it stands beyond the immediate effects of enhancing democracy, but one of the most likely outcomes would be a fragmenting of the two big churches. The Conservative Party as it stands would probably become several different, more coherent, groupings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:41:45 GMT
I don’t care if you accept that your party is less popular than ours or not, we got 43%, you got 11%. A five year old could tell you which party is more popular. Electoral reform won’t change that.Maybe you should accept that people just didn’t like your manifesto instead of looking for other factors to blame? Why not? Electoral reform could have huge ramifications for the political system as it stands beyond the immediate effects of enhancing democracy, but one of the most likely outcomes would be a fragmenting of the two big churches. The Conservative Party as it stands would probably become several different, more coherent, groupings. It hasn't done much for the Lib Dems in Scotland or Wales, has it?
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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 12, 2020 16:44:41 GMT
Why not? Electoral reform could have huge ramifications for the political system as it stands beyond the immediate effects of enhancing democracy, but one of the most likely outcomes would be a fragmenting of the two big churches. The Conservative Party as it stands would probably become several different, more coherent, groupings. It hasn't done much for the Lib Dems in Scotland or Wales, has it? It did in Scotland, but these places have electoral dynamics in part dictated by a FPTP electoral system handling most of their governance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 16:49:55 GMT
It hasn't done much for the Lib Dems in Scotland or Wales, has it? It did in Scotland, but these places have electoral dynamics in part dictated by a FPTP electoral system handling most of their governance. You have five seats in Holyrood (all but one are FPTP seats), and have been relegated to 5th place. Not exactly a roaring success story.
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Post by curiousliberal on Jan 12, 2020 16:51:42 GMT
It did in Scotland, but these places have electoral dynamics in part dictated by a FPTP electoral system handling most of their governance. You have five seats in Holyrood (all but one are FPTP seats), and have been relegated to 5th place. Not exactly a roaring success story. Sure, but the decline in LD fortunes at Holyrood can be traced directly back to a government resulting from a Westminster FPTP election. We'd have probably done even worse in 2011 if the system had been wholly FPTP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 17:02:08 GMT
You have five seats in Holyrood (all but one are FPTP seats), and have been relegated to 5th place. Not exactly a roaring success story. Sure, but the decline in LD fortunes at Holyrood can be traced directly back to a government resulting from a Westminster FPTP election. We'd have probably done even worse in 2011 if the system had been wholly FPTP. Yet you continue to make virtually no progress in Scottish elections. Word of advice - drop the woke nonsense over gender and I may even give you my constituency vote next year.
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 30, 2020 15:21:31 GMT
New YouGov poll on independence:
Yes 51 No 49
But large majority against a referendum this year.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 30, 2020 16:29:25 GMT
New YouGov poll on independence: Yes 51 No 49 But large majority against a referendum this year. Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 30, 2020 16:41:15 GMT
New YouGov poll on independence: Yes 51 No 49 But large majority against a referendum this year. Da mihi castitatem et continentiam, sed noli modo. Patron saint of brewers. Presumably, in a Scottish context, he said that quote in Alloa.
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