Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 16, 2020 7:56:40 GMT
My mistake, it is six councillors Starmer has lost in his first 11 days as Labour leader, for reasons other than death. Sadly, I think he has lost three through death. Willie Doolan, North Lanarkshire. Gone Independent. Roma Mills, Herts CC and St Albans DC. Gone Independent. Sheila Oakes, Amber Valley. Suspended after vile Boris tweets. Tom Rhilly, Hackney. Resigned. Deepak Sagha, North Herts DC. Resigned. So that's still 5. How many fingers have you got? Roma Mills counts double.
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Post by yellowperil on Apr 16, 2020 8:10:02 GMT
So that's still 5. How many fingers have you got? Roma Mills counts double. I know she's a wonderful person and all that, and I know she wears two hats, but (all together) there is only one Roma Mills. Isn't that right, @priceofdawn?
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 16, 2020 8:37:35 GMT
County and District?
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 16, 2020 9:12:48 GMT
In the terms of number of people lost 5, ie. the significant figure if your concern is those who may have fallen out with the current position of Labour
In terms of number of seats 'lost' to Labour 6, ie. the (probably less) significant figure if your concern is Labour control of authorities
Take your pick
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 9:18:28 GMT
In the terms of number of people lost 5, ie. the significant figure if your concern is those who may have fallen out with the current position of Labour In terms of number of seats 'lost' to Labour 6, ie. the (probably less) significant figure if your concern is Labour control of authorities Take your pick Amber Valley has a small majority as does the Lib Lab coalition in North Herts. Don't know if these affect that
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 9:22:59 GMT
It depends on the motivation for these defections. If people are leaving the Labour Party because they are denialists about antisemitism, or consciously downplay it, Starmer will not regard their defections, suspensions or expulsions as a negative thing at all. If it is over matters of socialist principle more generally, he will regret them much more. There are people that are on borrowed time in the Labour Party, and some of these are bound to be councillors, here and there. I think the sad thing about my mum is i think she'd have probably kept going but this lockdown has cancelled meetings and she realised how much work shed usually be doing for meetings etc. that's just not happening now and it made her realise that she's giving up all this time and actually she didn't really want to do it anymore. I wonder if that's the case for others
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Post by mike on Apr 16, 2020 9:41:12 GMT
In the terms of number of people lost 5, ie. the significant figure if your concern is those who may have fallen out with the current position of Labour In terms of number of seats 'lost' to Labour 6, ie. the (probably less) significant figure if your concern is Labour control of authorities Take your pick I don't really want to include deaths but if you do, the number is 9. Of course the Conservatives and others are losing members to deaths as well. With no way of replacing those lost who die or resign, add in defections and at some point control or other implications are bound to happen at a Council somewhere at some point.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 16, 2020 9:50:45 GMT
Resignations (from the council) shouldn't really count either should they? They happen all the time for all kinds of non-political reasons.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Apr 16, 2020 10:00:11 GMT
It depends on the motivation for these defections. If people are leaving the Labour Party because they are denialists about antisemitism, or consciously downplay it, Starmer will not regard their defections, suspensions or expulsions as a negative thing at all. If it is over matters of socialist principle more generally, he will regret them much more. There are people that are on borrowed time in the Labour Party, and some of these are bound to be councillors, here and there. I think the sad thing about my mum is i think she'd have probably kept going but this lockdown has cancelled meetings and she realised how much work shed usually be doing for meetings etc. that's just not happening now and it made her realise that she's giving up all this time and actually she didn't really want to do it anymore. I wonder if that's the case for others
I'm sure at times my dad felt like that, especially in later years, but he kept doing it whilst there was noone willing to take over.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 16, 2020 10:14:03 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 16, 2020 10:32:27 GMT
A bit of a wierd story, especially the assertion that "the image looked ‘more like a Hindu symbol’ than a swastika".
The swastika is a Hindu symbol (among many other communities).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 10:35:16 GMT
I think the sad thing about my mum is i think she'd have probably kept going but this lockdown has cancelled meetings and she realised how much work shed usually be doing for meetings etc. that's just not happening now and it made her realise that she's giving up all this time and actually she didn't really want to do it anymore. I wonder if that's the case for others
I'm sure at times my dad felt like that, especially in later years, but he kept doing it whilst there was noone willing to take over.
I think its because she's got to that point where she thinks I don't want to be doing this into my 70s but I think she also feels like she can't just keep doing it because no one else will
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 10:41:13 GMT
A bit of a wierd story, especially the assertion that "the image looked ‘more like a Hindu symbol’ than a swastika". The swastika is a Hindu symbol (among many other communities). There is an Indian dress shop on Green Street in Upton Park which innocently caused a furore over this. They are still there, though they redesigned their fascia -
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Post by mike on Apr 16, 2020 10:52:25 GMT
A bit of a wierd story, especially the assertion that "the image looked ‘more like a Hindu symbol’ than a swastika". The swastika is a Hindu symbol (among many other communities). Its ridiculous. The Nazis pinched the symbol from Hindus but turned it around the other way. Stephen Morgan is a tosser.
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Post by mike on Apr 16, 2020 11:06:57 GMT
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Crimson King
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 16, 2020 11:19:28 GMT
A bit of a wierd story, especially the assertion that "the image looked ‘more like a Hindu symbol’ than a swastika". The swastika is a Hindu symbol (among many other communities). There is an Indian dress shop on Green Street in Upton Park which innocently caused a furore over this. They are still there, though they redesigned their fascia - one of the houses I regularly deliver to has swastikas painted on the doorstep
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Post by kefin on Apr 16, 2020 11:44:43 GMT
It depends on the motivation for these defections. If people are leaving the Labour Party because they are denialists about antisemitism, or consciously downplay it, Starmer will not regard their defections, suspensions or expulsions as a negative thing at all. If it is over matters of socialist principle more generally, he will regret them much more. There are people that are on borrowed time in the Labour Party, and some of these are bound to be councillors, here and there. I think the sad thing about my mum is i think she'd have probably kept going but this lockdown has cancelled meetings and she realised how much work shed usually be doing for meetings etc. that's just not happening now and it made her realise that she's giving up all this time and actually she didn't really want to do it anymore. I wonder if that's the case for others Perhaps she just came to her senses and thought.................. 'Labour Party why?'
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Post by iang on Apr 16, 2020 11:47:10 GMT
one of the houses I regularly deliver to has swastikas painted on the doorstep Hugo Boss really was an SS designer. The pinching / adapting of the swastika as a symbol was essentially due to the (entirely erroneous) belief that the "Aryan" people came from what would now be northern India
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iang
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Post by iang on Apr 16, 2020 11:49:31 GMT
Why is one of the other buns pixillated out?
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iang
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Post by iang on Apr 16, 2020 11:52:15 GMT
With one twin hatter, I make that five councillors that Labour are down due to reasons other than death, since Starmer became Labour leader. Three defections, one suspension and one resignation. My mistake, it is six councillors Starmer has lost in his first 11 days as Labour leader, for reasons other than death. Sadly, I think he has lost three through death. Willie Doolan, North Lanarkshire. Gone Independent. Roma Mills, Herts CC and St Albans DC. Gone Independent. Sheila Oakes, Amber Valley. Suspended after vile Boris tweets. Tom Rhilly, Hackney. Resigned. Deepak Sagha, North Herts DC. Resigned. To be fair, the resignation of Tom Rhilly is presumably simply coincidental - isn't that because he has gone to a politically restricted job? And the Amber Valley case suggests unpleasantness and, to put it kindly, a lack of political nous, but it isn't particularly reflective on Keir Starmer leading the Labour Party
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