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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 12:01:50 GMT
one of the houses I regularly deliver to has swastikas painted on the doorstep Hugo Boss really was an SS designer. The pinching / adapting of the swastika as a symbol was essentially due to the (entirely erroneous) belief that the "Aryan" people came from what would now be northern India That's why they had such FAAABULOUS uniforms *. EDIT Before the finger-waggers get going, that is an ironic use of a real quote from Horst Wessel.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 16, 2020 12:05:11 GMT
Don't we have a "how many left?" thread for UKIP somewhere?
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Post by mboy on Apr 16, 2020 12:14:40 GMT
one of the houses I regularly deliver to has swastikas painted on the doorstep Dare we ask if the house is Hindu or Nazi?
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Post by mike on Apr 16, 2020 12:15:30 GMT
Don't we have a "how many left?" thread for UKIP somewhere? Yes we do under General Discussion. When I have time I'd be happy to update it.
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Post by ColinJ on Apr 16, 2020 12:15:35 GMT
Why is one of the other buns pixillated out? Presumably the bun wanted anonymity.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 16, 2020 12:15:45 GMT
Hugo Boss really was an SS designer. The pinching / adapting of the swastika as a symbol was essentially due to the (entirely erroneous) belief that the "Aryan" people came from what would now be northern India That's why they had such FAAABULOUS uniforms *. EDIT Before the finger-waggers get going, that is an ironic use of a real quote from Horst Wessel. Wasn't it Bryan Ferry who got a load of grief for the (quite accurate) suggestion that the Nazis were very good at industrial design and showmanship and used it to great effect?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2020 12:28:33 GMT
That's why they had such FAAABULOUS uniforms *. EDIT Before the finger-waggers get going, that is an ironic use of a real quote from Horst Wessel. Wasn't it Bryan Ferry who got a load of grief for the (quite accurate) suggestion that the Nazis were very good at industrial design and showmanship and used it to great effect? I've little doubt that you're correct about what he meant (and that view is hardly controversial), though his words could have been better chosen. He's rather politically incorrect all round, and makes no secret of it, which is the real reason he got grief.
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Post by iang on Apr 16, 2020 12:42:51 GMT
Wasn't it Bryan Ferry who got a load of grief for the (quite accurate) suggestion that the Nazis were very good at industrial design and showmanship and used it to great effect? I've little doubt that you're correct about what he meant (and that view is hardly controversial), though his words could have been better chosen. He's rather politically incorrect all round, and makes no secret of it, which is the real reason he got grief. Bryan Ferry related political trivia - the former agent of the London Liberal Party in the 80s, Bill McCormick, was nearly the bassist in Roxy Music. Having played in 801, one of the predecessor bands, the story I got was that when Bryan Ferry was putting Roxy Music together, he needed a bassist and Bill was suggested, but was away on holiday in Spain at the time, and in those pre mobile days, by the time he got back, the post had been filled. He was a Liberal / Lib Dem councillor in Bromley for years. Bill's wikipedia entry below en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_MacCormick
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 16, 2020 12:59:03 GMT
Hugo Boss really was an SS designer. He was, but he was never a fashion designer: the company was a mass producer of uniforms and work-ware and did not make men's suits until Boss lost control of the company (to his son in law) as a result of denazification.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 16, 2020 13:11:57 GMT
I've little doubt that you're correct about what he meant (and that view is hardly controversial), though his words could have been better chosen. He's rather politically incorrect all round, and makes no secret of it, which is the real reason he got grief. Bryan Ferry related political trivia - the former agent of the London Liberal Party in the 80s, Bill McCormick, was nearly the bassist in Roxy Music. Having played in 801, one of the predecessor bands, the story I got was that when Bryan Ferry was putting Roxy Music together, he needed a bassist and Bill was suggested, but was away on holiday in Spain at the time, and in those pre mobile days, by the time he got back, the post had been filled. He was a Liberal / Lib Dem councillor in Bromley for years. Bill's wikipedia entry below en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_MacCormickThe predecessor band was Quiet Sun, in which Bill played with Phil Manzanera, Roxy's guitarist. 801 was a project put together by Bill, Phil and Brian Eno during Roxy Music's hiatus in the late 70's. I suspect that the occasion when Bill nearly got the Roxy gig would have been when original bassist Graham Simpson left after recording the first album. Rik Kenton got the gig instead - he's the bassist on Virginia Plain - but lasted less than a year, and Roxy relied on session bass players after that. Bill MacCormick later played in a band called Random Hold - I saw them supporting Peter Gabriel in Cardiff in about 1980 - but they didn't break through to success, and he left the music industry.
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 16, 2020 13:25:23 GMT
Why is one of the other buns pixillated out? It says fuck.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 16, 2020 14:15:13 GMT
Why is one of the other buns pixillated out? It says fuck. Regardless of the whole swastika issue he's clearly infantile.
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Post by Khunanup on Apr 16, 2020 14:31:21 GMT
A bit of a wierd story, especially the assertion that "the image looked ‘more like a Hindu symbol’ than a swastika". The swastika is a Hindu symbol (among many other communities). The chap who said that is this person: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8275826.stmSomeone might question the usefulness of Jezz Baker as a character witness...
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 16, 2020 15:55:54 GMT
Bryan Ferry related political trivia - the former agent of the London Liberal Party in the 80s, Bill McCormick, was nearly the bassist in Roxy Music. Having played in 801, one of the predecessor bands, the story I got was that when Bryan Ferry was putting Roxy Music together, he needed a bassist and Bill was suggested, but was away on holiday in Spain at the time, and in those pre mobile days, by the time he got back, the post had been filled. He was a Liberal / Lib Dem councillor in Bromley for years. Bill's wikipedia entry below en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_MacCormickThe predecessor band was Quiet Sun, in which Bill played with Phil Manzanera, Roxy's guitarist. 801 was a project put together by Bill, Phil and Brian Eno during Roxy Music's hiatus in the late 70's. I suspect that the occasion when Bill nearly got the Roxy gig would have been when original bassist Graham Simpson left after recording the first album. Rik Kenton got the gig instead - he's the bassist on Virginia Plain - but lasted less than a year, and Roxy relied on session bass players after that. Bill MacCormick later played in a band called Random Hold - I saw them supporting Peter Gabriel in Cardiff in about 1980 - but they didn't break through to success, and he left the music industry. here they are in all their glory...
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 16, 2020 16:03:34 GMT
Thanks, I think Bill MacCormick is rear right in the photo. Lead guitarist David Rhodes went on to be one of Peter Gabriel's main sidemen, while drummer Peter Phipps had formerly been in the Glitter Band, and later played for XTC, with whom they had toured in the days when XTC did tours.
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 16, 2020 16:12:51 GMT
I'm sure at times my dad felt like that, especially in later years, but he kept doing it whilst there was noone willing to take over.
I think its because she's got to that point where she thinks I don't want to be doing this into my 70s but I think she also feels like she can't just keep doing it because no one else will We all know that feeling. If you don't want to do it any more, just let other people take up the slack, put your feet up and enjoy yourself doing other things.
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 16, 2020 18:52:13 GMT
Thanks, I think Bill MacCormick is rear right in the photo. Lead guitarist David Rhodes went on to be one of Peter Gabriel's main sidemen, while drummer Peter Phipps had formerly been in the Glitter Band, and later played for XTC, with whom they had toured in the days when XTC did tours. Yes that looks like Bill.
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 16, 2020 18:56:52 GMT
I am intrigued. "Fuck" is unacceptable so pixelated. The SNP symbol is okay and not a reason for being kicked out of the Tories. "Sex" is okay. But the swastika is the wrong way round. The Nazi version is clockwise. Someone desecrated the war memorial here in Trawden in November last with a swastika. The local police said they thought it was a religious nutter who knew about ancient Sanscrit religious symbols because it was also anti-clockwise... Personally I don't think the details of fascist symbols are well understood by most folk.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Apr 16, 2020 19:11:57 GMT
A bit of a wierd story, especially the assertion that "the image looked ‘more like a Hindu symbol’ than a swastika". The swastika is a Hindu symbol (among many other communities). There is an Indian dress shop on Green Street in Upton Park which innocently caused a furore over this. They are still there, though they redesigned their fascia - My parents had (still have, I think) a set of Rudyard Kipling books with swastikas embossed on the spine. I think it was a quite widely produced edition. They puzzled me as a child, when I read The Jungle Book. There's a set on Abe Books: Going for a grand in dollars I see; don't think mum and dad have the full set though.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Apr 16, 2020 19:59:53 GMT
The predecessor band was Quiet Sun, in which Bill played with Phil Manzanera, Roxy's guitarist. 801 was a project put together by Bill, Phil and Brian Eno during Roxy Music's hiatus in the late 70's. I suspect that the occasion when Bill nearly got the Roxy gig would have been when original bassist Graham Simpson left after recording the first album. Rik Kenton got the gig instead - he's the bassist on Virginia Plain - but lasted less than a year, and Roxy relied on session bass players after that. Bill MacCormick later played in a band called Random Hold - I saw them supporting Peter Gabriel in Cardiff in about 1980 - but they didn't break through to success, and he left the music industry. here they are in all their glory...
Actually, this reminds me that I have a copy of the 12" EP that includes Avalanche, I may just give it a listen.
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