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Post by Arthur Figgis on Apr 9, 2020 9:29:20 GMT
She won't starve, at least.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 9, 2020 9:33:45 GMT
It's the usual hysterical over-reaction.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 9, 2020 11:59:05 GMT
It's the usual hysterical over-reaction. In this case, I agree. If you think some sort of sanction is required, much better her resigning her council seat than losing her job too.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 9, 2020 12:28:31 GMT
It's the usual hysterical over-reaction. In this case, I agree. If you think some sort of sanction is required, much better her resigning her council seat than losing her job too. I don't see why the electorate can't decide . This is the sort of petty stupidity which irritates me about all party politics
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 9, 2020 12:33:10 GMT
Yeah, I can see the case for letting voters judge tbf.
Just saying that given most people only care about what she said because she is an elected councillor, that should arguably be the focus of any sanctions too.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 12:35:51 GMT
Yeah, I can see the case for letting voters judge tbf. Just saying that given most people only care about what she said because she is an elected councillor, that should arguably be the focus of any sanctions too. But you'd be surprised (or probably not) how many employers are very sensitive about social media. Some places she'd on a disciplinary for even mentioning where she worked. I guess it's because SM brings out the Really Stupid in people !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 13:28:36 GMT
Given elections cant happen atm voters can't decide
I only recently discovered that 'views are my own' is legal thing to mean what i say I'm not saying in any capacity that represents my employer. I haven't actually changed my employment on social media for 4 or 5 years tbf
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Post by ColinJ on Apr 9, 2020 15:03:38 GMT
Yeah, I can see the case for letting voters judge tbf. Just saying that given most people only care about what she said because she is an elected councillor, that should arguably be the focus of any sanctions too. But you'd be surprised (or probably not) how many employers are very sensitive about social media. Some places she'd on a disciplinary for even mentioning where she worked. I guess it's because SM brings out the Really Stupid in people ! There's no two ways about it, it does! In my last job there was regular mention of someone who shall be called 'Example A'. Example A reported sick for a couple of weeks, hoodwinked the doctor for his sick note and/or self-certified, and then posted his holiday photos on Facebook. Doh!
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Post by tonygreaves on Apr 9, 2020 15:16:05 GMT
Sizist, facist, sexist and Johnsonist. Hm.
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Post by neilm on Apr 9, 2020 15:16:25 GMT
But you'd be surprised (or probably not) how many employers are very sensitive about social media. Some places she'd on a disciplinary for even mentioning where she worked. I guess it's because SM brings out the Really Stupid in people ! There's no two ways about it, it does! In my last job there was regular mention of someone who shall be called 'Example A'. Example A reported sick for a couple of weeks, hoodwinked the doctor for his sick note and/or self-certified, and then posted his holiday photos on Facebook. Doh! I had a colleague like that: rang in sick and then went to a motorcycle rally in Southend. Literally nothing happened to him: normally I'd not give a toss but he used to phone in sick at the most inconvenient times.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2020 8:28:43 GMT
But you'd be surprised (or probably not) how many employers are very sensitive about social media. Some places she'd on a disciplinary for even mentioning where she worked. I guess it's because SM brings out the Really Stupid in people ! There's no two ways about it, it does! In my last job there was regular mention of someone who shall be called 'Example A'. Example A reported sick for a couple of weeks, hoodwinked the doctor for his sick note and/or self-certified, and then posted his holiday photos on Facebook. Doh! In the past I've had an uphill battle getting a sick note for a service user who've lost PIP and require to produce a sick note every three months at the job centre but my boss often claims work colleagues get sick notes for conditions that have no test and are posting on facebook their holidays. A world where vulnerable adults can't get a sick note but people who support them can is a very strange world. As it is though we can't go against a doctor's note
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 10, 2020 8:32:40 GMT
There's no two ways about it, it does! In my last job there was regular mention of someone who shall be called 'Example A'. Example A reported sick for a couple of weeks, hoodwinked the doctor for his sick note and/or self-certified, and then posted his holiday photos on Facebook. Doh! I had a colleague like that: rang in sick and then went to a motorcycle rally in Southend. Literally nothing happened to him: normally I'd not give a toss but he used to phone in sick at the most inconvenient times. I worked somewhere where a contractor I was working for was sacked after calling in sick one Friday. Unfortunately someone else senior who had taken the day off then recognised him at a re-enactment of the Battle of Naseby- he had skived to be a Roundhead with the Sealed Knot!
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 10, 2020 8:36:16 GMT
It's the usual hysterical over-reaction. In this case, I agree. If you think some sort of sanction is required, much better her resigning her council seat than losing her job too. I've worked places where the contract explicitly says you can't mention your employer on social media, unless it is LinkedIn. If she'd not done it, she'd be home and dry.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 10, 2020 11:04:15 GMT
It is not and should never be a GPs job to determine if someone is entitled to benefits or pay, but that is the system we have. A GP owes his loyalty purely to his patient, not to the employer or welfare system. If you tell your GP that you are pissed off with work it is perfectly reasonable for him/her to say "Ok, heeres a sick note, no you dont need anti depressants.. If the symptoms continue, look for another job" Of course, the corollary to that is that employs really should not agree to pay staff full pay when off sick. I would never agree more than SSP for at least a period, so that every episode of absence carries a financial penalty. That way I know that employees are not taking the mick. Only applies to short term absences.
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Post by Merseymike on Apr 10, 2020 11:15:35 GMT
It's enough. Three days on half pay or less focuses the mind. I don't think it would make a great deal of difference.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 10, 2020 11:42:47 GMT
In this case, I agree. If you think some sort of sanction is required, much better her resigning her council seat than losing her job too. I've worked places where the contract explicitly says you can't mention your employer on social media, unless it is LinkedIn. If she'd not done it, she'd be home and dry. Of course this is another reason why the clueless demands from some politicians to end online anonymity are so wrong headed.
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 10, 2020 12:29:26 GMT
It is not and should never be a GPs job to determine if someone is entitled to benefits or pay, but that is the system we have. A GP owes his loyalty purely to his patient, not to the employer or welfare system. If you tell your GP that you are pissed off with work it is perfectly reasonable for him/her to say "Ok, heeres a sick note, no you dont need anti depressants.. If the symptoms continue, look for another job" Of course, the corollary to that is that employs really should not agree to pay staff full pay when off sick. I would never agree more than SSP for at least a period, so that every episode of absence carries a financial penalty. That way I know that employees are not taking the mick. In my case my GP is the only person qualified to assess my health needs, and thus my benefit eligibility, as 90+% of medical practitioners have never encountered my disability owing to its rareness. I was recently sent a medical textbook entry about my disability by a relative who, pre-Coronavirus was a medical lecturer at Leeds, and it was some 45 years out of date, still asserting it was caused by a calcium deficiency, which was debunked in about 1977 when I stopped getting free school milk. The lack of knowledge is also illustrated by an IpsosMORI survey three years ago which found that every parent of an OI child born since 1990 that was a member of the Brittle Bone Society had at some point been arrested on suspicion of child abuse.
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Post by John Chanin on Apr 10, 2020 13:12:16 GMT
I've worked places where the contract explicitly says you can't mention your employer on social media, unless it is LinkedIn. If she'd not done it, she'd be home and dry. Of course this is another reason why the clueless demands from some politicians to end online anonymity are so wrong headed. It’s a bit more nuanced than that. As you can see I post under my own name, and always have. This means I take responsibility for what I post, and therefore am more careful with it. However I also worked in a politically restricted post for many years (albeit before internet posting became so ubiquitous). So I maintained a separate identity under a pseudonym for when I wanted to post anything work related.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 10, 2020 13:44:05 GMT
I had a colleague like that: rang in sick and then went to a motorcycle rally in Southend. Literally nothing happened to him: normally I'd not give a toss but he used to phone in sick at the most inconvenient times. I worked somewhere where a contractor I was working for was sacked after calling in sick one Friday. Unfortunately someone else senior who had taken the day off then recognised him at a re-enactment of the Battle of Naseby- he had skived to be a Roundhead with the Sealed Knot! I doubt he'll take such a Cavalier attitude to work in future
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 10, 2020 15:18:27 GMT
I worked somewhere where a contractor I was working for was sacked after calling in sick one Friday. Unfortunately someone else senior who had taken the day off then recognised him at a re-enactment of the Battle of Naseby- he had skived to be a Roundhead with the Sealed Knot! I doubt he'll take such a Cavalier attitude to work in future And that's the Long and Short of it.
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