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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 7, 2018 14:02:02 GMT
Milton Keynes does not have city status so the council would get into trouble if it did. It doesn't stop them implying that MK is a city. All, and I mean all, of their publicity for anything describes it as 'the new city', 'Britain's fastest growing (new) city' (actually they've not done they for a while) etc. They encourage the local media to refer to 'the city', locals refer to going 'up the city' and so on. Its very odd. I once got told that 'the charter' referred to it as a city to which my response was 'well, if it did then we'd be a city, and we aren't.' I was on a course last week which was attended by people from the other side of the country who believed that Milton Keynes was a city. So they may get into trouble for saying it explicitly, but their marketing department is doing a good job of implying it. Pretty much: This is not a city: Milton Keynes
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Post by La Fontaine on Feb 7, 2018 17:02:30 GMT
Gateshead has one parish: Lamesley. The other one, Birtley, abolished itself a few years ago. Also, Elgin is generally known as a city, but isn't. Its football team is Elgin City. It has no council.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 7, 2018 17:23:47 GMT
Milton Keynes does not have city status so the council would get into trouble if it did. It doesn't stop them implying that MK is a city. All, and I mean all, of their publicity for anything describes it as 'the new city', 'Britain's fastest growing (new) city' (actually they've not done they for a while) etc. They encourage the local media to refer to 'the city', locals refer to going 'up the city' and so on. Its very odd. I once got told that 'the charter' referred to it as a city to which my response was 'well, if it did then we'd be a city, and we aren't.' I was on a course last week which was attended by people from the other side of the country who believed that Milton Keynes was a city. So they may get into trouble for saying it explicitly, but their marketing department is doing a good job of implying it. To non-pedants it is a city and hardly anyone outside of place like this forum gives a flying fuck about charters and official status. If it is urban and is big enough, it's a city. I don't defend the attitude, but I don't think its "weird," it's normal. (No-one ever asked to see the charter for ancient Athens or Rome.) Conversely (and I may be corrected) but I don't think many people in Gloucester (roughly half the size of MK) consider it more than a big town, notwithstanding official status; though if the facilities and population of Cheltenham were added I think they would.
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 7, 2018 17:28:02 GMT
It's often not so much about size as the way space is used - particularly in the centre. Hereford is smaller than Shrewsbury, but it's 'obvious' which is a city and which is a town.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 7, 2018 17:57:54 GMT
There's a certain curiosity that people in the town of MK refer to going to the city, whereas the people of the city of Manchester refer to going to town.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 7, 2018 18:05:51 GMT
Gateshead has one parish: Lamesley. The other one, Birtley, abolished itself a few years ago. Also, Elgin is generally known as a city, but isn't. Its football team is Elgin City. It has no council. IIRC there are also football teams erroneously called Guildford City and Chelmsford City. For some reason however this has made me think of Suffragette City by David Bowie - perhaps because of the commemorations yesterday. Guildford City are interesting in that they started out as Guildford United and changed their name when the cathedral was built, anticipating city status which never happened. They went out of business in 1974 and when re-formed in 1996 called themselves AFC Guildford, although people call them.... Guildford City. the other most famous fact about them was that Arsenal's Herbert Chapman died after catching a cold (or something) having gone to Guildford to see the Arsenal third/fourth team play. IIRC.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 7, 2018 18:10:12 GMT
Gateshead has one parish: Lamesley. The other one, Birtley, abolished itself a few years ago. Also, Elgin is generally known as a city, but isn't. Its football team is Elgin City. It has no council. IIRC there are also football teams erroneously called Guildford City and Chelmsford City. For some reason however this has made me think of Suffragette City by David Bowie - perhaps because of the commemorations yesterday. oh, and Chelmsford City were called that for about seventy years before Chelmsford became a city in 2012. They made multiple applications for league status after WWII .....
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Post by ricmk on Feb 7, 2018 19:09:06 GMT
There's a certain curiosity that people in the town of MK refer to going to the city, whereas the people of the city of Manchester refer to going to town. I haven't heard of "going to the city." Our inner city is Central Milton Keynes, the railway station is Milton Keynes Central, and the major shopping complex is centre:mk So I'd think you'd hear "going to CMK" or "going to the centre." growing up in Manchester I only went to the City once. The Kippax stand of Maine Road to watch a cracking 3-3 draw with Newcastle that (a few weeks later) relegated City and won the title for United. Perfect!
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 7, 2018 19:51:23 GMT
(No-one ever asked to see the charter for ancient Athens or Rome.) Try Rochester.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Feb 7, 2018 20:35:16 GMT
(No-one ever asked to see the charter for ancient Athens or Rome.) Try Rochester. Just googled that! Extraordinary cock-up. The trouble for Rochester is that it's the sort of place that might stretch to being seen as a city except for the fact of its history and heritage, very dim of the authorities not to guard that jealously. But I don't think there are too many books titled "The Grandeur of Rochester" or "The Glory That Was Rochester."
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Post by Foggy on Feb 7, 2018 23:46:28 GMT
Sandwell, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Walsall? plus Liverpool, Wirral, Salford, Stockport, Bury, Rochdale, North Tyneside, South Tyneside Liverpool and Salford are the only ones of those that make even the slightest bit of sense to me. The rest should all quite self-evidently have parishes. It doesn't stop them implying that MK is a city. All, and I mean all, of their publicity for anything describes it as 'the new city', 'Britain's fastest growing (new) city' (actually they've not done they for a while) etc. They encourage the local media to refer to 'the city', locals refer to going 'up the city' and so on. Its very odd. I once got told that 'the charter' referred to it as a city to which my response was 'well, if it did then we'd be a city, and we aren't.' I was on a course last week which was attended by people from the other side of the country who believed that Milton Keynes was a city. So they may get into trouble for saying it explicitly, but their marketing department is doing a good job of implying it. Pretty much: This is not a city: Milton KeynesThat link still refers to Milton Keynes City FC as a 'local organisation'. Gateshead has one parish: Lamesley. The other one, Birtley, abolished itself a few years ago. Also, Elgin is generally known as a city, but isn't. Its football team is Elgin City. It has no council. I believe this is the case for Brechin as well. Red Dwarf once posed the trick trivia question 'who knocked Swansea City out of the 1967 FA Cup?' The catch is that the club was still called Swansea Town AFC (who were knocked out that year by Burnley, incidentally) at the time.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 7, 2018 23:59:09 GMT
That link still refers to Milton Keynes City FC as a 'local organisation'. Maybe they mean this one.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 8, 2018 0:12:50 GMT
That link still refers to Milton Keynes City FC as a 'local organisation'. Maybe they mean this one. "The club was founded in 1986 as Milton Keynes City Youth FC before changing it's [ sic] name to Milton Keynes City FC in 2005" Sneaky, but it's good to see that there's still a club with than moniker knocking about. I was thinking of the previous two clubs by that name which both went bust.
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Post by uhurasmazda on Feb 8, 2018 3:16:31 GMT
Not entirely sure of this, but have been told that, with the establishment of a parish council for the City of Durham underneath the Unitary Authority, Durham will therefore be the only place in the UK where city status is invested in a non-primary authority. Not sure whether the City of London counts as a primary authority.
The first elections for this will be held in April.
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Post by warofdreams on Feb 8, 2018 3:56:39 GMT
Not entirely sure of this, but have been told that, with the establishment of a parish council for the City of Durham underneath the Unitary Authority, Durham will therefore be the only place in the UK where city status is invested in a non-primary authority. Not sure whether the City of London counts as a primary authority. The first elections for this will be held in April. There are quite a few already: eight English cities which are civil parishes, and three Welsh cities which are communities.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 9:30:02 GMT
Preston is a city whether people believe that or not. And many local people don't.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 8, 2018 9:47:38 GMT
Not sure whether the City of London counts as a primary authority. It does, on the same basis as the London Boroughs. In fact, it has more power than those, as it runs its own police force, seperate from the Met Police.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 9, 2018 13:04:25 GMT
Peter Harris, former London Regional Controller for Ukip (he was one of the anti-Bolton resignations last month), Ukip to Conservatives
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Post by neilm on Feb 9, 2018 13:07:11 GMT
There's a certain curiosity that people in the town of MK refer to going to the city, whereas the people of the city of Manchester refer to going to town. I haven't heard of "going to the city." Our inner city is Central Milton Keynes, the railway station is Milton Keynes Central, and the major shopping complex is centre:mk So I'd think you'd hear "going to CMK" or "going to the centre." growing up in Manchester I only went to the City once. The Kippax stand of Maine Road to watch a cracking 3-3 draw with Newcastle that (a few weeks later) relegated City and won the title for United. Perfect! You never hear that! Who on earth says 'going to CMK'?! It's 'going up [the] city.' All of my staff from the age of 50 down speak like that. Get on a bus and you'll here people say 'city, please' and so on.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 9, 2018 13:25:02 GMT
Peter Harris, former London Regional Controller for Ukip (he was one of the anti-Bolton resignations last month), Ukip to Conservatives big hitter?? surely " top kipper"....
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