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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 2, 2018 20:25:09 GMT
Metropolitan district, actually.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 2, 2018 20:26:48 GMT
Newcastle Borough, not Newcastle City, so yes. The City of Newcastle-upon-Tyne is also classed as a 'Metropolitan Borough', n'est-ce pas? A Metropolitan District, really. Borough status is something awarded, like City status.
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Post by mrhell on Feb 2, 2018 21:16:31 GMT
Newcastle Borough, not Newcastle City, so yes. The City of Newcastle-upon-Tyne is also classed as a 'Metropolitan Borough', n'est-ce pas? No but Newcastle upon Tyne might be
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Post by Foggy on Feb 2, 2018 21:21:53 GMT
The City of Newcastle-upon-Tyne is also classed as a 'Metropolitan Borough', n'est-ce pas? No but Newcastle upon Tyne might be Ooh, good point. I'm from a town which has hyphens in its name, but which is sometimes misspelt by people who omit them. It's easy to forget that the reverse is the case for certain other places!
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 5, 2018 9:46:21 GMT
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Post by Dan on Feb 6, 2018 13:04:27 GMT
A Metropolitan District, really. Borough status is something awarded, like City status. A Borough is what you become if you have a civic mayor.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 6, 2018 13:11:33 GMT
A Metropolitan District, really. Borough status is something awarded, like City status. A Borough is what you become if you have a civic mayor. Or, alternatively, if you become a Borough, you're entitled to call your council chair a Mayor, and buy them a funny hat and chain of office. A District council just has a chairman/woman. As it happens, most Met Districts are Boroughs, and those that aren't are Cities.
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Post by Dan on Feb 6, 2018 13:27:44 GMT
As it happens, most Met Districts are Boroughs, and those that aren't are Cities. City Councils are authorities that cover areas granted 'city status' by the monarch of the day by letters patent, irrespective of the actual functions of the local authority concerned. Currently, Chichester, Ely, Hereford, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro and Wells are all styled as city councils, despite having the powers and status of a parish council.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 6, 2018 14:33:48 GMT
As it happens, most Met Districts are Boroughs, and those that aren't are Cities. City Councils are authorities that cover areas granted 'city status' by the monarch of the day by letters patent, irrespective of the actual functions of the local authority concerned. Currently, Chichester, Ely, Hereford, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro and Wells are all styled as city councils, despite having the powers and status of a parish council. Oh I know - and actually some are cities by virtue of being recognised as such since "time immemorial". It's just that there are no Met Districts that are neither Borough nor City.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 6, 2018 20:57:40 GMT
City Councils are authorities that cover areas granted 'city status' by the monarch of the day by letters patent, irrespective of the actual functions of the local authority concerned. Currently, Chichester, Ely, Hereford, Lichfield, Ripon, Salisbury, Truro and Wells are all styled as city councils, despite having the powers and status of a parish council. Oh I know - and actually some are cities by virtue of being recognised as such since "time immemorial". It's just that there are no Met Districts that are neither Borough nor City. Hereford was of course downgraded in the tinkering of the 1990s. In Wales you have St Asaph and St Davids which are cities with only the responsibilities of a community council, alongside the Great City of Bangor. I think 'Met Districts' should probably have ceased to be a valid distinction once the 'Metropolitan County' councils were abolished in the 1980s. It's all very confusing. In general I reckon what should make the difference is whether or not the local authority has any parished areas (which would technically make Birmingham and Westminster districts, to name but two problematic examples). My local district council has sometimes referred to its chair as the First Citizen, but never the mayor (and yet Cambridgeshire now has a 'mayor' to complicate matters further).
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Post by lancastrian on Feb 6, 2018 21:52:22 GMT
I think 'Met Districts' should probably have ceased to be a valid distinction once the 'Metropolitan County' councils were abolished in the 1980s. It's all very confusing. In general I reckon what should make the difference is whether or not the local authority has any parished areas (which would technically make Birmingham and Westminster districts, to name but two problematic examples). Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield would also be districts by that measure. Only 12 of the 36 Metropolitan districts have no parishes.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 7, 2018 0:31:37 GMT
I think 'Met Districts' should probably have ceased to be a valid distinction once the 'Metropolitan County' councils were abolished in the 1980s. It's all very confusing. In general I reckon what should make the difference is whether or not the local authority has any parished areas (which would technically make Birmingham and Westminster districts, to name but two problematic examples). Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield would also be districts by that measure. Only 12 of the 36 Metropolitan districts have no parishes. I knew about the examples you cite in Yorkshire, but I'm astonished to find just how many parishes there are in Newcastle upon Tyne (I guess that clearly makes it a district after all!) and I'd never heard of Ringway being a separate village either.
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Post by neilm on Feb 7, 2018 7:40:14 GMT
Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield would also be districts by that measure. Only 12 of the 36 Metropolitan districts have no parishes. I knew about the examples you cite in Yorkshire, but I'm astonished to find just how many parishes there are in Newcastle upon Tyne (I guess that clearly makes it a district after all!) and I'd never heard of Ringway being a separate village either. Milton Keynes is entirely parished, and the council goes to great lengths to present itself as a city body, and the town as a city, without ever specifically referring to itself as a city council.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 7, 2018 8:54:00 GMT
I think 'Met Districts' should probably have ceased to be a valid distinction once the 'Metropolitan County' councils were abolished in the 1980s. It's all very confusing. In general I reckon what should make the difference is whether or not the local authority has any parished areas (which would technically make Birmingham and Westminster districts, to name but two problematic examples). Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield would also be districts by that measure. Only 12 of the 36 Metropolitan districts have no parishes. Sandwell, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Walsall?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 7, 2018 9:08:42 GMT
Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield would also be districts by that measure. Only 12 of the 36 Metropolitan districts have no parishes. Sandwell, Wolverhampton, Dudley, Walsall? plus Liverpool, Wirral, Salford, Stockport, Bury, Rochdale, North Tyneside, South Tyneside
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Post by Chris from Brum on Feb 7, 2018 9:16:31 GMT
I did wonder about Coventry, but perhaps Allesley and Keresley have parish councils?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 7, 2018 9:30:46 GMT
Manchester, Leeds, Newcastle and Sheffield would also be districts by that measure. Only 12 of the 36 Metropolitan districts have no parishes. I knew about the examples you cite in Yorkshire, but I'm astonished to find just how many parishes there are in Newcastle upon Tyne (I guess that clearly makes it a district after all!) and I'd never heard of Ringway being a separate village either. I wouldn't go out of my way to visit, but if you're ever close by, Ringway is a strange, strange place. Eerie.
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Post by maxque on Feb 7, 2018 10:37:27 GMT
I did wonder about Coventry, but perhaps Allesley and Keresley have parish councils? They do and so does Finham.
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Post by timrollpickering on Feb 7, 2018 13:04:31 GMT
Milton Keynes is entirely parished, and the council goes to great lengths to present itself as a city body, and the town as a city, without ever specifically referring to itself as a city council. Milton Keynes does not have city status so the council would get into trouble if it did.
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Post by neilm on Feb 7, 2018 13:30:20 GMT
Milton Keynes is entirely parished, and the council goes to great lengths to present itself as a city body, and the town as a city, without ever specifically referring to itself as a city council. Milton Keynes does not have city status so the council would get into trouble if it did. It doesn't stop them implying that MK is a city. All, and I mean all, of their publicity for anything describes it as 'the new city', 'Britain's fastest growing (new) city' (actually they've not done they for a while) etc. They encourage the local media to refer to 'the city', locals refer to going 'up the city' and so on. Its very odd. I once got told that 'the charter' referred to it as a city to which my response was 'well, if it did then we'd be a city, and we aren't.' I was on a course last week which was attended by people from the other side of the country who believed that Milton Keynes was a city. So they may get into trouble for saying it explicitly, but their marketing department is doing a good job of implying it.
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