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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2019 21:01:17 GMT
(Waits for Corbynites to tell how the absolute boy has managed to take us from fourth to first in the space of a week) erm no...
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Post by woollyliberal on Jul 7, 2019 7:26:38 GMT
Opinium have done 3 polls since the Euros. Not quite enough to look for trends, but here goes anyway Lab 22 - 26 - 25 Con 17 - 20 - 23 TBP 26 - 23 - 22 LD 16 - 16 - 15
This corresponds well to the trends shown by the 9 YouGov polls in the same period. Labour having a slight boost after the Euros but falling back slightly since. Con having a boost because of the publicity of their leadership election. Brexit in decline, LD holding steady.
Each pollster has parties at a different level, the so called house effect. But they each should be repeatable within the margin of error. So them each showing the same trend is nice to see.
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 7, 2019 9:56:26 GMT
(Waits for Corbynites to tell how the absolute boy has managed to take us from fourth to first in the space of a week) Lets do a deal - an end to that *and* people (including anti-Corbyn Labourites) telling us that "the polls" (note the plural) are putting Labour in 4th place?
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 27, 2019 19:34:11 GMT
The numbers beneath that first tweet are better for Boris that I would've thought. 38-17% and 25-23% on best PM and trustworthiness for instance.
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Post by andrewp on Jul 27, 2019 19:41:19 GMT
A bit of Boris bounce. I wonder if it will make Brecon and Radnor a bit closer than it would have been.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 27, 2019 19:46:01 GMT
Those are not good numbers overall. They are scarcely better than May was getting at the end of last year. There's not a lot of good news if the PM only trusted by a quarter of the country (and I'm amazed it's that high).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 19:51:50 GMT
The numbers beneath that first tweet are better for Boris that I would've thought. 38-17% and 25-23% on best PM and trustworthiness for instance. not dissimilar from yougov best pm 38 to 20
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Jul 27, 2019 19:58:23 GMT
Those are not good numbers overall. They are scarcely better than May was getting at the end of last year. There's not a lot of good news if the PM only trusted by a quarter of the country (and I'm amazed it's that high). Given the barrage of abuse and propaganda Boris has faced I had feared it'd be lower. Also, Boris has been in situ for four days, your party's man for four years. I'd say it's far worse for Labour. Oh, and before anyone says it, I'm not spinning, just giving my opinion.
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Post by middyman on Jul 27, 2019 19:58:38 GMT
In view of the number in the media describing Boris as a “liar”, “cheat” etc. I am amazed that he scored that highly in the trustworthy stakes.
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Post by lbarnes on Jul 27, 2019 20:02:20 GMT
In view of the number in the media describing Boris as a “liar”, “cheat” etc. I am amazed that he scored that highly in the trustworthy stakes. Conservatives and Brexit Ltd supporters obviously approve of liars and cheats,
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Post by Vibe on Jul 27, 2019 20:16:46 GMT
In view of the number in the media describing Boris as a “liar”, “cheat” etc. I am amazed that he scored that highly in the trustworthy stakes. Conservatives and Brexit Ltd supporters obviously approve of liars and cheats, There are as many liars in all the parties. Am much as I am not a fan of Boris, he is no worse than the rest or the alternatives. On Brexit, both sides lied as much as the other.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 27, 2019 20:20:38 GMT
Those are not good numbers overall. They are scarcely better than May was getting at the end of last year. There's not a lot of good news if the PM only trusted by a quarter of the country (and I'm amazed it's that high). Given the barrage of abuse and propaganda Boris has faced I had feared it'd be lower. Also, Boris has been in situ for four days, your party's man for four years. I'd say it's far worse for Labour. Oh, and before anyone says it, I'm not spinning, just giving my opinion. You're trying the "but Corbyn" line on me? Really after all this time?
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Post by middyman on Jul 27, 2019 20:26:20 GMT
In view of the number in the media describing Boris as a “liar”, “cheat” etc. I am amazed that he scored that highly in the trustworthy stakes. Conservatives and Brexit Ltd supporters obviously approve of liars and cheats, What was your thought process to produce that post? I simply commented that the poll rating in that area was surprisingly high in view of media coverage. There was zero content of approbation for the PM, let alone approval of dishonesty.
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Post by woollyliberal on Jul 27, 2019 20:30:50 GMT
There's a Deltapoll today showing the same thing: A huge swing from TBP to Con. I've been saying this since the run up to the 2017 election. The first party to break the unelectability stalemate between May and Corbyn will win a huge lead in the polls. It looks like Johnson is about to do it. Start drawing up your snap election plans.
Deltapoll for Mail on Sunday has Tories soaring at expense of Farage's Brexit party. CON: 30 (+10) LAB: 25 (-1) LD: 18 (+2) BRX: 14 (-10) CUK: 2 (-2)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2019 20:32:38 GMT
There's a Deltapoll today showing the same thing: A huge swing from TBP to Con. I've been saying this since the run up to the 2017 election. The first party to break the unelectability stalemate between May and Corbyn will win a huge lead in the polls. It looks like Johnson is about to do it. Start drawing up your snap election plans. Deltapoll for Mail on Sunday has Tories soaring at expense of Farage's Brexit party. CON: 30 (+10) LAB: 25 (-1) LD: 18 (+2) BRX: 14 (-10) CUK: 2 (-2) already on deltapoll thread. Must be said opinium doesnt suggest your thesis holds given johnson seems to have increased Labours vote as well as tory
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jul 27, 2019 20:34:47 GMT
Who the hell are the two per cent wanting to vote for the post-Chuka CHUKers? (If a Chuka could chuck CHUK)
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Post by jamie on Jul 27, 2019 20:38:20 GMT
Corbyn has been leader for 4 years and it’s took time for his personal ratings to get this terrible (with a brief bounce around June + a few month in 2017). Johnson will face the same thing, it’s just a question of how low he can go and how long it takes.
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Post by woollyliberal on Jul 27, 2019 20:52:49 GMT
Today's YouGov is showing similar changes. Lab changes look like movement around the mean to me. Opinium had Labour down a bit last time and up a bit this time. The Lib Dem results are showing fluctuation around the mean too. The big story is the Brexit to Con shift. For as long as Johnson keeps up the haloween do or die rhetoric, I'd expect voters to keep moving from light to dark blue.
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Post by matureleft on Jul 27, 2019 20:56:43 GMT
I'm puzzled at the references to media hostility toward Johnson. While Tory papers covered his recent personal difficulties, many did so with quite a bit of sympathy (including hounding the neighbours). There wasn't much exploration of his muddier past. The Guppy business got an outing in The Guardian. Since his election the core Tory papers have been supine or adulatory, as one would expect. There are criticisms but from the normal minority - The Guardian, The Mirror, the Independent (a bit), and, on a quite different level, The Financial Times.
Anyway the print media means less and less. Not sure how he will cut it with the Russian troll farms. As he's a mate of Trump he may be ok!
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