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Post by gwynthegriff on Jun 2, 2019 15:43:00 GMT
Nicky Morgan focussing on what's important It's a mystery why the Tories are in such trouble Language matters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 16:22:26 GMT
Mays had a boost from -62/+20 to -59/+18 #resignbounce You are actually defending Corbyns dire ratings! Without Brexit, he would be toast. The Conservatives have fallen more than Labour, is not a vindication for Labour policies. i was being fascitious
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 2, 2019 16:27:15 GMT
You are actually defending Corbyns dire ratings! Without Brexit, he would be toast. The Conservatives have fallen more than Labour, is not a vindication for Labour policies. i was being fascitious Facetious?
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Jun 2, 2019 16:39:48 GMT
OK then Lilico's spin is silly (nothing new there) but a third placed Tory party is highly vulnerable to losing huge numbers of seats on both flanks. (this is basically how the 1993 near wipeout in Canada happened) I do wonder if we're gradually turning into Canada in electoral terms, i.e. big shifts in almost every election. Maybe Scotland over the past decade has provided something of a sneak preview. Or, perhaps, something resembling our own interwar period?
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Post by msc on Jun 2, 2019 16:49:16 GMT
OK then Lilico's spin is silly (nothing new there) but a third placed Tory party is highly vulnerable to losing huge numbers of seats on both flanks. (this is basically how the 1993 near wipeout in Canada happened) I do wonder if we're gradually turning into Canada in electoral terms, i.e. big shifts in almost every election. Maybe Scotland over the past decade has provided something of a sneak preview. Or, perhaps, something resembling our own interwar period?
Scottish politics this decade make far more sense if you consider the possibility the Scots electorate have become addicted to exciting election night programmes.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 2, 2019 16:53:04 GMT
Too much history in Britain for Canada to be that useful a predictor of what might happen if the party 'system' is put under massive strain at a General Election at which FPTP is in place. You'd be better off looking at India and Pakistan. Even if one were to look to Canada you'd have to note that, Quebec aside, what happened in 1993 was not normal. But right now we should probably wait to see how things unfold before speculating much in any direction.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 2, 2019 18:23:00 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn still lagging after May after she's resigned, I see. Mays had a boost from -62/+20 to -59/+18 #resignbounce That's remarkably fast nostalgia.
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Post by greenhert on Jun 2, 2019 18:41:23 GMT
Approval ratings: - Nigel Farage +2
- Vince Cable =0
- Nicola Sturgeon -14
- Heidi Allen -23
- Gerard Batten -34
- Theresa May -41
- Jeremy Corbyn -48
It is now time to run approval ratings of Sian Berry and Jonathan Bartley as well, given that the Green Party now has 7 MEPs and is far ahead of Change UK and UKIP in terms of support.
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 2, 2019 18:41:29 GMT
at least you didn't mean fascistic
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Post by yellowperil on Jun 2, 2019 18:55:08 GMT
Approval ratings: - Nigel Farage +2
- Vince Cable =0
- Nicola Sturgeon -14
- Heidi Allen -23
- Gerard Batten -34
- Theresa May -41
- Jeremy Corbyn -48
It is now time to run approval ratings of Sian Berry and Jonathan Bartley as well, given that the Green Party now has 7 MEPs and is far ahead of Change UK and UKIP in terms of support. Would you really want to learn just how far down on the minus points you are? - we Lib Dems can rejoice at reaching zero! One of your problems of course is the shared leadership issue. Would you want separate ratings for Sian and Jonathan or a single reading for the combined leadership? ChangeUK could have had a similar problem with a fragmented leadership system, but designated Heidi as Leader, to be differentiated from Chair, Spokesman, etc!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 18:59:12 GMT
Approval ratings: - Nigel Farage +2
- Vince Cable =0
- Nicola Sturgeon -14
- Heidi Allen -23
- Gerard Batten -34
- Theresa May -41
- Jeremy Corbyn -48
It is now time to run approval ratings of Sian Berry and Jonathan Bartley as well, given that the Green Party now has 7 MEPs and is far ahead of Change UK and UKIP in terms of support. id be interested to know Carolines ratings bit who knows either of the new ish leaders
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 2, 2019 19:37:18 GMT
It is now time to run approval ratings of Sian Berry and Jonathan Bartley as well, given that the Green Party now has 7 MEPs and is far ahead of Change UK and UKIP in terms of support. Would you really want to learn just how far down on the minus points you are? - we Lib Dems can rejoice at reaching zero! One of your problems of course is the shared leadership issue. Would you want separate ratings for Sian and Jonathan or a single reading for the combined leadership? ChangeUK could have had a similar problem with a fragmented leadership system, but designated Heidi as Leader, to be differentiated from Chair, Spokesman, etc! I doubt they would be far down the minus, the may even be positive, but with 60% plus of don't knows...
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 4, 2019 20:25:32 GMT
Mays had a boost from -62/+20 to -59/+18 #resignbounce You are actually defending Corbyns dire ratings! Without Brexit, he would be toast. The Conservatives have fallen more than Labour, is not a vindication for Labour policies. But without Brexit his ratings might be significantly higher than they are, since Labour's fence-sitting on the issue is what's lost them large numbers of voters to the Greens and Lib Dems, and Corbyn has personally taken a lot of the blame for that stance.
Too much history in Britain for Canada to be that useful a predictor of what might happen if the party 'system' is put under massive strain at a General Election at which FPTP is in place. You'd be better off looking at India and Pakistan. Even if one were to look to Canada you'd have to note that, Quebec aside, what happened in 1993 was not normal. But right now we should probably wait to see how things unfold before speculating much in any direction. But speculating with virtually no evidence is so much fun.
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Post by jamie on Jun 22, 2019 16:50:46 GMT
Labour - 26% (+4) Brexit - 23% (-3) Cons - 20% (+3) LIb Dems - 16% (nc)
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Post by woollyliberal on Jun 22, 2019 20:06:34 GMT
After an unusually low poll from Opinium last time, Labour are back on 26%. Similarly, the Conservatives are back up to 20% after a lower than usual score from Opinium last time. Lib Dems remain unchanged. TBP are shown as coming down from their peak, in line with what other pollsters are showing. Gone, it seems, are the days of percentages in the 30s and 40s.
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Post by middyman on Jun 22, 2019 20:23:02 GMT
After an unusually low poll from Opinium last time, Labour are back on 26%. Similarly, the Conservatives are back up to 20% after a lower than usual score from Opinium last time. Lib Dems remain unchanged. TBP are shown as coming down from their peak, in line with what other pollsters are showing. Gone, it seems, are the days of percentages in the 30s and 40s. TBP has been out of the headlines of late, and lost at Peterborough. I think it needs a failure to leave the EU completely to restore their ratings.
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Post by andrew111 on Jun 22, 2019 22:16:23 GMT
After an unusually low poll from Opinium last time, Labour are back on 26%. Similarly, the Conservatives are back up to 20% after a lower than usual score from Opinium last time. Lib Dems remain unchanged. TBP are shown as coming down from their peak, in line with what other pollsters are showing. Gone, it seems, are the days of percentages in the 30s and 40s. TBP has been out of the headlines of late, and lost at Peterborough. I think it needs a failure to leave the EU completely to restore their ratings. As I recall their ratings never got much above this in Westminster polling. But i agree that failure to leave the EU might put them up to Euro election levels (in polls at least)
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 6, 2019 20:54:01 GMT
(Waits for Corbynites to tell how the absolute boy has managed to take us from fourth to first in the space of a week)
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