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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 15, 2018 15:40:19 GMT
He made a mistake and got the policy wrong.
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Post by Jack on Jan 15, 2018 15:41:43 GMT
Before the election...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:50:29 GMT
Yes that's Afzal Khan. I forgot about Sharon Hodgson. Well I can promise you I never campaigned on this pledge nor have I ever campaigned on pledges that aren't party policy. It's one thing to lobby for what you believe but at the election you put thise things aside and stick to the script. Sadly these people didn't amd I'm sorry about that
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:50:45 GMT
He made a mistake and got the policy wrong. They’re seems to be a lot of that. Cards on the table, isn’t it the case that many Labour people and MP’s said, or at the very least strongly hinted, at this to be elected and that when this is publicised at the next election in places like Canterbury and Chester you’ll just look like Nick Clegg and the Liberals in 2010?
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Post by beastofbedfordshire on Jan 15, 2018 15:53:18 GMT
You have got to be very suspicious when a large number of a party's supporters get their policy wrong. labour are either lying or incompetent so take your pick.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 15, 2018 15:54:23 GMT
Cards on the table, isn’t it the case that many Labour people and MP’s said, or at the very least strongly hinted, at this to be elected and that when this is publicised at the next election in places like Canterbury and Chester you’ll just look like Nick Clegg and the Liberals in 2010? No, it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:55:20 GMT
Yes that's Afzal Khan. I forgot about Sharon Hodgson. Well I can promise you I never campaigned on this pledge nor have I ever campaigned on pledges that aren't party policy. It's one thing to lobby for what you believe but at the election you put thise things aside and stick to the script. Sadly these people didn't amd I'm sorry about that I understand that and I’m genuinely not trying to attack you, or anyone else personally but I am sick and tired of being called a liar, or that being insinuated, I stress on Social Media not on this forum, when I know damn well that there were Labour MP’s doing that.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jan 15, 2018 15:56:13 GMT
Isn't it just another example of Jezza's "studied ambiguity", which in the end simply results in no-one being entirely clear what party policy actually is?
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 15, 2018 15:57:14 GMT
I do think it's quite likely that the sort of usually-Tory voter who cast a ballot for the LibDems because they were pissed off at Brexit would be more likely to return to the mother party if they thought Labour (esp. led by the Left) had a shot at winning, but these people seem to be quite geographically concentrated. Not going to be much use if older swing voters - who stuck with the Tories mostly last year - start to shift (whether directly to Labour or elsewhere), because they mostly don't live in the same places.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 15, 2018 15:58:50 GMT
And btw if you want to know why Labour's position on Brexit is as it is, it's because that latter group of voters were pretty clearly overwhelmingly for Leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 15:59:43 GMT
Well so far you've got three not many. If I can get the policy right. If Benj cam get it right. If David Boothroyd can get it right. You don't have to be a genius to get it right. I don't want to talk poor of my colleagues but sadly these folks aren't geniuses. It's not the dark arts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 16:03:59 GMT
No I'm sure you aren't attacking me I appreciate you saying that. I can only talk from my experience and that's how i see it.
I'm not Corbyn employed studious ambiguity in an interview with JME. I like JME but he's not Paxman.
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 15, 2018 16:32:19 GMT
He made a mistake and got the policy wrong. They’re seems to be a lot of that. Cards on the table, isn’t it the case that many Labour people and MP’s said, or at the very least strongly hinted, at this to be elected and that when this is publicised at the next election in places like Canterbury and Chester you’ll just look like Nick Clegg and the Liberals in 2010? I doubt it, because Labour were never in the position of being able to be plausibly called out on having said one thing and done another. But I agree with other posters that when significant numbers of candidates get a policy wrong it is reasonable to ask if there ignorance was not at the very least willful
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Post by thetop on Jan 15, 2018 16:37:48 GMT
Well Sharon Hodgson hardly needed to, and she at least included the link that actually gave it context. Well so far you've got three not many. If I can get the policy right. If Benj cam get it right. If David Boothroyd can get it right. You don't have to be a genius to get it right. I don't want to talk poor of my colleagues but sadly these folks aren't geniuses. It's not the dark arts. One of which after the fact. Two MPs have caused confusion but our election manifesto, and our leader, clearly stated that we were not promising to cancel all student debt, but remove current fees and look into ameliorate past students.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:47:48 GMT
Well Sharon Hodgson hardly needed to, and she at least included the link that actually gave it context. Well so far you've got three not many. If I can get the policy right. If Benj cam get it right. If David Boothroyd can get it right. You don't have to be a genius to get it right. I don't want to talk poor of my colleagues but sadly these folks aren't geniuses. It's not the dark arts. One of which after the fact. Two MPs have caused confusion but our election manifesto, and our leader, clearly stated that we were not promising to cancel all student debt, but remove current fees and look into ameliorate past students. When it’s sufficiently unclear that your own MPs don’t know what the policy is it’s not clear. Unless of course Labour MPs are deliberately lying about the policy. Which is also not great.
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Post by thetop on Jan 15, 2018 20:20:25 GMT
Well Sharon Hodgson hardly needed to, and she at least included the link that actually gave it context. One of which after the fact. Two MPs have caused confusion but our election manifesto, and our leader, clearly stated that we were not promising to cancel all student debt, but remove current fees and look into ameliorate past students. When it’s sufficiently unclear that your own MPs don’t know what the policy is it’s not clear. Unless of course Labour MPs are deliberately lying about the policy. Which is also not great. 1% of our MPs. The other 99% seemed to get it fine. But then I don't see why those MPs would lie about it, given they're in safe seats.
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Post by tonygreaves on Jan 21, 2018 17:02:19 GMT
Most of you are again talking about the past.
(1) We have an astonishingly incompetent government. This is nothing to do with left or right or beliefs. Just competence. Question is: when will this start to affect the polls? Surely it is inconceivable that it will not do so.
(2) Second question is: when will the usual government mid-term dip start? (It would usually be this coming summer) Or has Brexit changed things fundamentally?
(3) Third question is: if and when these two factors start to have an impact, where will people go? Are any of the other parties capable of picking up any of the 10-15% of voters who (according to the usual expectations) will not be voting Tory in say 18 months time? And if not, what?
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Post by thetop on Jan 21, 2018 17:06:38 GMT
They stay at home and allow a Labour victory, or hold their nose if they're that spooked by Labour.
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Post by tonygreaves on Jan 21, 2018 19:36:09 GMT
Unlikely to be quite so simple, if past history is anything to go by. Mid-term disillusion leads to protest. But how is another matter.
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