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Post by John Chanin on Aug 30, 2018 15:54:20 GMT
Field has always been a disconnected member of the Labour Party. His background was in the charity sector, not politics. He was rescued twice by the NEC when members wanted to deselect him. I doubt he would have wanted to stand again,, and becoming an independent is only recognising what he was anyway.
I would not be at all surprised if a number of other Labour MPs who are in their last terms go independent as well. I would be surprised if any of them were to join the Conservative Party. I remain unconvinced by anti-semitism claims against the Labour Party, but don't doubt that Jewish MPs get anti-semitic abuse. We have an abusive culture - Muslim MPs get anti-islamic abuse, black MPs get racist abuse, and upper-class MPs get classist abuse. And of course female MPs get misogynistic abuse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 16:02:16 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 30, 2018 16:30:03 GMT
I'm always confused by the many Tories who absolutely love Frank Field. Besides two or three issues, he is very much a socialist and there is zero prospect in him joining the Tory Party. I'd say an awful lot of Tories know he's a socialist, and don't expect him to go over, but have a lot of personal respect for him.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Aug 30, 2018 16:49:41 GMT
I'm always confused by the many Tories who absolutely love Frank Field. Besides two or three issues, he is very much a socialist and there is zero prospect in him joining the Tory Party. I'd say an awful lot of Tories know he's a socialist, and don't expect him to go over, but have a lot of personal respect for him. Exactly. I know he’s a traditional Labour Socialist and I know he’ll never join but I still encourage a man of such principle into the party. Besides some describe Disraelite and even Nixonian thinking as “Tory Socialism” so why not?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 17:15:40 GMT
Lots of Labourites on Twitter, not necessarily unreasonably, saying he should resign from parliament and re-stand for his typically safe Labour seat. I wonder why they weren't calling for the same when O'Mara resigned from the whip? That's a matter for them personally until proper recall legislation is implemented
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Post by cogload on Aug 30, 2018 17:25:20 GMT
The silence regarding O'Mara and Woodcock about resigning their seats compared to the din that Field should commit hari kari. Nowt to do with winnability?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 17:28:22 GMT
The silence regarding O'Mara and Woodcock about resigning their seats compared to the din that Field should commit hari kari. Nowt to do with winnability? again it's a personal choice for them until proper recall legislation comes into place
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 17:32:41 GMT
Lots of Labourites on Twitter, not necessarily unreasonably, saying he should resign from parliament and re-stand for his typically safe Labour seat. I wonder why they weren't calling for the same when O'Mara resigned from the whip? That's a matter for them personally until proper recall legislation is implemented I agree. I never said otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 17:38:23 GMT
I can respect anyone who differs from me on politics, but find it hard to stomach an MP like Field who gives his reason for resigning the whip as the so-called "anti-semitism" of a man who has the biggest democratic mandate of all the UK party leaders. Shame on you Frank. Big mandates do not in any sense mean that person can't be anti-semitic. Don't be absurd. Ken Livingstone once had the largest ever personal mandate in a UK election. Also (I do not intend to imply that Corbyn is in anyway similar to Hitler, or that this was democratic, but the point still stands): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_election,_November_1933
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Post by CatholicLeft on Aug 30, 2018 17:52:14 GMT
I can respect anyone who differs from me on politics, but find it hard to stomach an MP like Field who gives his reason for resigning the whip as the so-called "anti-semitism" of a man who has the biggest democratic mandate of all the UK party leaders. Shame on you Frank. A non-sequitur; one does not invalidate the other.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Aug 30, 2018 17:54:03 GMT
I'm always confused by the many Tories who absolutely love Frank Field. Besides two or three issues, he is very much a socialist and there is zero prospect in him joining the Tory Party. A bit like those on the left who love Clarke, Soubry, Greening etc, all of whom are very standard Tories on 95% of policy matters.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Aug 30, 2018 17:54:25 GMT
I can respect anyone who differs from me on politics, but find it hard to stomach an MP like Field who gives his reason for resigning the whip as the so-called "anti-semitism" of a man who has the biggest democratic mandate of all the UK party leaders. Shame on you Frank. A non-sequitur; one does not invalidate the other. Also, he nominated Jeremy Corbyn in 2015.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 30, 2018 17:57:33 GMT
A non-sequitur; one does not invalidate the other. Also, he nominated Jeremy Corbyn in 2015. That will be explained away in some quarters as following the Moor to serve his turn upon him.
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Post by Merseymike on Aug 30, 2018 18:13:03 GMT
He is a maverick with a curious selection of views. I don't think he fits well in any party but clearly on some issues he has moved considerably rightwards. He has managed to anger both left and right in his local party which has until recently had a reputation as rather inactive
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 30, 2018 18:44:14 GMT
Also, he nominated Jeremy Corbyn in 2015. That will be explained away in some quarters as following the Moor to serve his turn upon him. Jezza as the Moor? Now that's an interesting racial stereotype
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Post by tonyhill on Aug 30, 2018 18:56:54 GMT
This is probably a stupid question, but is Frank Field Jewish? If he is, then fair enough, he has probably experienced antisemitism. If not then I think he is employing hyperbole to justify an action taken for additional reasons.
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Post by mondialito on Aug 30, 2018 19:01:27 GMT
I can respect anyone who differs from me on politics, but find it hard to stomach an MP like Field who gives his reason for resigning the whip as the so-called "anti-semitism" of a man who has the biggest democratic mandate of all the UK party leaders. Shame on you Frank. A non-sequitur; one does not invalidate the other. Another non-sequitur is Field citing 'anti-Semitism' as his reason for resigning the whip. He probably saw the writing was on the wall in his CLP and decided to jump before he was pushed, lobbing an unpinned grenade behind him to make mischief for his party and attract the attention of a largely inattentive media.
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 30, 2018 19:03:33 GMT
That's a matter for them personally until proper recall legislation is implemented I agree. I never said otherwise. Well, to be fair Jared never committed the Cardinal Sin of calling the Great and Infallible Leader anti-Semitic....
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 30, 2018 19:04:56 GMT
It was Frank Field's CLP which declined antisemitism training from the Jewish Labour Movement because they were linked with ISIS...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 19:07:19 GMT
I agree. I never said otherwise. Well, to be fair Jared never committed the Cardinal Sin of calling the Great and Infallible Leader anti-Semitic.... I'm not aware that Frank has that either
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